four free cads in comparison

[openoikos]

at this link an article in which four software cad free compares: Draftsight, doublecad xt, qcad and librecad.
http://www.openoikos.altervista.org/joomla/blog/17-cad-2d-le-alternative-gratis-ad-autocad-lt.htmlGood reading.

 

[openoikos]

I'll give you this.
http://www.openoikos.altervista.org/joomla/blog/23-andare-oltre-il-cad-2d-spendendo-poco.htmlbut I am here to dialogue not to advertise articles.

 

[cacciatorino]

I read the first article and looked at the second.

I'm sorry if I tell you, but they're just superficial notes. Let's say that when the reader has finished reading them, he knows as soon as possible, big way.

So talking about "four free cads in comparison" seems a little out of place, comparisons should get a little deeper.

 

[Tristan]

I think it exactly as a hunter; Moreover, without making any controversy, I would like to respond to a couple of points reported in the last link.
write that the software listed "are real clones of the latest versions of some autodesk software". the only software "clonate" is autocad and, apart from zwcad that in the last two years has made considerable advances, not even in the most recent versions. we are technologically back almost 10 years and as a contribution to innovation these software mentioned are zero! autodesk (as dassault, nemetschek, siemens etc.) sells dear its products, it is undeniable, but because behind there is research and investments, two things that the software houses mentioned do not even know what they are. I leave sketchup aside because it is not google technology, although it is the only real innovation told by you.
then you say that "progecad architecture is a bim software for parametric architectural design that goes from model design to rendering. a good substitute for programs such as revit or archicad". Forgive me, but by saying that it proves that you do not know revit or archicad at all. could pass the comparison with autocad architecture, but with revit this progecad architecture has nothing to do with it! In fact, it's light years. I wonder if you ever tried to work with a real bim software...

 

[Tequila]

I'm going to ask The opening to read the regulation and to present itself as it did not.

 

[openoikos]

I always accept criticism and when they are shared I also come to appreciate them. you have made me reflect on what I write and on the very usefulness of my site that perhaps has left too ecumenical, too generalistic and that often does not facilitate the deepening.
I will correct the general approach and try to be less superficial. But I believe that what I have said so far has not been useless because there is a consideration that is important to me. you need to distinguish what you are looking for, evolved and experienced caddists, from a less informed professional reality, more distracted by other aspects of work or even less able to understand concepts and methods that you give for discount. communication can take place at various levels. I have known the blog of tristan for some time, I find it interesting and well done but I want to do something else, more suitable for my possibilities and my interests.
I am not a disproved, I know autocad since he was shooting on ms dos with a computer that had less than 1 mb of ram (and went faster than now) and I also used archicad and revit (and I preferred the first because more user-friendly). I do not love autodesk products of recent years because I find them hypertrophic, they disorient me. I can not appreciate and in some cases not even grasp the novelties that follow from year to year going to weigh down the expense of those unfortunates that in most cases could do with a free software like draftsight the same things that they do every day. I believe that we must not confuse research (the real one) with commercial policy and that true innovation is what changes things and therefore always (at least a little) heretic. for the future of computer science I expect more from free software than from microsoft and however I do not disdain anyone who does an honest job like progesoft and similar that to a tenth of the price give more or less what gives autodesk (or almost, but almost or more or less affect little us mortal poor).
with sympathy and esteem for all.:smile:
Sorry, I forgot once again, I'm going to introduce myself.
http://www.openoikos.com

 

[Tristan]

I'm not a disproved, I've known autocad since he was spinning on ms dos with a computer that had less than 1 mb of ram (and went faster than now)

Also msdos was faster than windows 7... Forgive me but are comparisons that leave the time they find

I also used archicad and revit (and I preferred the first because more user-friendly).

you forgot to write "according to me"

I believe that we must not confuse research (the real one) with commercial policy and that true innovation is what changes things and therefore always (at least a little) heretic.

heretic? I did not understand the meaning of this sentence.. .

for the future of computer science I expect more from free software than from microsoft and however I do not disdain anyone who does an honest job like progesoft and similar that to a tenth of the price give more or less what gives autodesk (or almost, but almost or more or less affect little us mortal poor).

I've stopped believing in free software for a long time. experience has taught me that quality has a high or low price.
I never said that progesoft's work is dishonest, but it does not give any contribution to innovation. is like the Chinese who copy the fiat panda or the ferrero rocher. I know very well that there are technicians and professionals who use autocad 2012 as if it were a r14 but this goes to the disadvantage of their competitiveness. Do not realize to have a ferrari under the ass and to travel constantly in the first is a big defect in my opinion.

 

[re_solidworks]

Well, then the quality and stability of progecad is all a program, I tried it and it really hurt me.

 

[Tristan]

Want to talk about bricscad?
the company for which work develops for years plugins on autocad for topography and gis; to propose a solution at low price we tried bricscad. the result? a delaunay triangulation with 2000 points takes in autocad a couple of seconds while on bricscad more than a minute and a half!! a ratio of 50:1 and the problem is not in the algorithm (which is the same) nor the calculation time (test made on the same pc) but in the regeneration of the design! we have come to the conclusion that as long as it comes to pull 4 rows is fine, but if you have to draw a complete project (planivolumetric, plants, prospects, sections, executive details etc.) the software becomes slow and frustrating work. is worth saving 800€?? as they say: "who spends less money"? Well, this is an eclatating case. . .

 

[maxopus]

autocad also has a sea of problems... and yet you pay it.
until you have to make 2ds and blocks can still go, if you move on 3d it is better to delete cutting objects or potentially contingent from the desk.
not to mention the incompatibilities created to art to break the palms to users.
for me autocad is one of the worst paid programs existing on the market.
in a market made of competent customers would be wiped out mercilessly.

 

[Tristan]

autocad also has a sea of problems... and yet you pay it.
until you have to make 2ds and blocks can still go, if you move on 3d it is better to delete cutting objects or potentially contingent from the desk.

Sure, if you're used to working with solidworks, inventor or cat, autocad will look like a real shit. It is also true that there will be 1 user out of 1000 using acad for the 3d. not by case autocad lt surclasse the older brother for installed stations.

not to mention the incompatibilities created to art to break the palms to users.

What are you talking about?

for me autocad is one of the worst paid programs existing on the market.

It's your opinion I don't share but respect

in a market made of competent customers would be wiped out mercilessly.

No, it would be renovated. I remind you that autocad is first of all developed according to the requests of the augi, so users who use it. in any way autodesk continues despite everything to increase turnover every year. the world cannot be saturated with incompetent customers. . .

 

[maxopus]

Sure, if you're used to working with solidworks, inventor or cat, autocad will look like a real shit. It is also true that there will be 1 user out of 1000 using acad for the 3d. not by case autocad lt surclasse the older brother for installed stations.

then why make customers believe that you can work in 3d or export to iges if then these functions are delusional.
same new car of pacca, creo and pro/e turn great, autocad crashes without reason.
we talk about certified machines also for autodesk ...
made tests of all types if different machines, same situation and same basic instability.
We talk about a program with almost 30 years behind, if these are the best results to let go.

What are you talking about?

to the fact that if I carry a dwg or a dxf from any mechanical cad and I open it in autocad I must continually tell me that the file was not created with an autodesk application.
and who caxxo cares if the file is correct made a package of your own facts and shut up.
This does not happen with other programs.
if I carry a pro/e parasolid file and the amount in swx or nx or if all this does not happen.

It's your opinion I don't share but respect

Yeah, just do a 2d with me 10 to realize it.
a much more advanced 2d of autocad, but the fire power of autodesk smoke sellers and the ability to spread "fantasy" licenses made a mediocre program a de facto standard.

No, it would be renovated. I remind you that autocad is first of all developed according to the requests of the augi, so users who use it. in any way autodesk continues despite everything to increase turnover every year. the world cannot be saturated with incompetent customers. . .

tobacco multinationals also increase turnover every year.
the increase in turnover is not an index of product quality.
you can increase your turnover by selling a mediocre product.
just enter any small or medium Italian company and you will find unauthorized autodesk installations in industrial quantities.
because the wood or the medium italiota cutter knows nothing else.
When he decides to set himself up, he will be very natural to be on his ... and regularize what he already has in his home.

 

[openoikos]

no one has the truth in his pocket and each one of us is expressed by undermining “according to me”. I believe more and more in free software and not to appear too ideological I would like to make some concrete examples.
It is more than likely that our blogs and what we write on this same site are hosted on linux server hosting and this is the dominant trend on the server market.
Many truly innovative projects (android for example) are based on open source systems and linux kernels cover a consistent part of the mobile device market.
in the desktop sector, that what we are most interested in here, this revolution has been less overwhelming because it is a less free market, more conditioned by churches that contrast “heres” for reasons that are purely commercial.
there is not only one product (always according to me but I am in good company) of the microsoft that is not overwhelmed by free software. a good linux distro is more efficient, fast and safe than windows 7, as well as firefox is better than ie, openoffice or libreoffice better than microsoft office, ... etc.
Why does microsoft retain monopoly positions? why important sotware house (autodesk among these) continue to favour this operating system of which also the friend tristan denounces slowness?
There is no courage of heresy, every congregation defends its copyrights by supporting others but innovation is elsewhere.
If each of us were less lazy, less conformist and more free this castle would collapse.
copyright is anomaly, when this becomes annuity and no longer profit is a brake to progress. every job must have the right compensation. realistically I don't know what the future holds but if the software will be accessible at all at non-prohibitional costs thank the heretics.
excuse the Pindaric flights but you do not live only ctrl+alt+. . .
with immuted esteem and sympathy.:smile:
http://www.openoikos.com

 

[Tristan]

then why make customers believe that you can work in 3d or export to iges if then these functions are delusional.
same new car of pacca, creo and pro/e turn great, autocad crashes without reason.
we talk about certified machines also for autodesk ...
made tests of all types if different machines, same situation and same basic instability.

thanks to my current work I have had the opportunity to make hundreds of autocad installations and I never, I say, found similar problems and not solved. there were undoubtedly cases of instability but mostly due to the hardware and still always solved with installation of update or driver.

Yeah, just do a 2d with me 10 to realize it.
a much more advanced 2d of autocad, but the fire power of autodesk smoke sellers and the ability to spread "fantasy" licenses made a mediocre program a de facto standard.

autocad has the value/defect to be a multipurpose cad, used in mechanics, electronics, architecture, urbanism etc.
Of course, in order not to discriminate against one category than another, it has decided to maintain a low profile; I agree with you that on the market there are objectively better dedicated applications, but addressed to specific sectors. I doubt that a geometra that deals with topography and catasto compri me 10, while there are artisans of the most diverse sectors that use autocad lt daily, perhaps alongside parametric software such as sw or similar.
for the rest I do not share what you claim but respect it.

 

[Tristan]

imo open software is utopian as much as peace in the world and communism. in your post, openoikos, you forgot to mention the co-author of the software "closed": steve jobs (rip) and the apple. But he was killed before and after his death. When mark shuttleworth dies, do you think it's gonna be the same thing? I'm so sorry, but I'm afraid not...

 

[openoikos]

Tristan, you can't answer me with the saints. I gave you concrete examples. I am not an integralist of free software and I recognize the merits of steve jobs. he knew how to see beyond, even google knows how to do it, autodesk so far not. you must have the ability to see beyond, utopia is not realized but can help to see the direction.

 

[maxopus]

imo open software is utopian as much as peace in the world and communism. in your post, openoikos, you forgot to mention the co-author of the software "closed": steve jobs (rip) and the apple. But he was killed before and after his death. When mark shuttleworth dies, do you think it's gonna be the same thing? I'm so sorry, but I'm afraid not...

I agree with you, open source currently has reason to exist for other areas.
the market cad will never have the numbers of the market palmari/smartphone or that of the internet networks.
cad is a specialist sector, with much smaller numbers than the consumer market and needs continuous updates and customizations.
if we take the android example we can safely state that on the goodness of the linux project each device manufacturer has had to invest money to allow management and system updates.
But we talk about hundreds of millions of installations every year.
I see something like this lasts.
it would take a team of volunteers who were willing to invest a lot of time to develop software with all its specialist modules.
Perhaps we will be denied here at 2 years but, that I know there is no valid open source project that aims to develop a medium-range cad.
It should also be borne in mind that a design system does not stop at the modeling part.
metadata management systems, product development interfaces (pdm/plm), databases and management systems should be developed.
simulation systems for mechanical, thermal and fluid dynamic analysis would be required.
widening design is a very large and constantly evolving universe that must at the same time follow the evolution of hardware and operating systems.
such a project is a work that would require the commitment of hundreds of developers very prepared in the specific field.
in these 30 years we have seen many projects die before we can see the light and others die for lack of dedicated resources.

 

[Tristan]

perhaps autodesk, as you say, does not see any further (even if I am not at all agreeing) but invests and much. as it still does google that unlike you I do not think absolutely avant-garde, or at least I think it as adsk.

 

[Tristan]

I also do not see why to aspire in this way on proprietary software (which has among other things the advantage of feeding to so many people) and still tolerate patents. Isn't that the same? then why not fight also for the sharing of the recipe of cocacola and nutella? ?

 

[Ivan1990]

there is not only one product (always according to me but I am in good company) of the microsoft that is not overwhelmed by free software. a good linux distro is more efficient, fast and safe than windows 7, as well as firefox is better than ie, openoffice or libreoffice better than microsoft office, ... etc.
Why does microsoft retain monopoly positions? because important sotware house (autodesk among these) continue to favour this operating system

1- windows 7 is an excellent operating system, removing the defects of windows view and looking for the operation of windows xp. linux is considered safer not because it works better, but because being less used, virus creators have less interest in hitting it.
2- all programs are first created on windows 7, simply because it is the most popular program in private and in companies and not vice versa.