laser marking and protection

[stevie]

the manual movement is in height to focus depending on the height of the piece.
the radius moves into a work area of 250x250 mm.
so the fact that the radius, and only that, moves determines that it is a machine?

having to engrave (imagine) metal plates the uncontrolled reflections will be inevitable, so there is no way that it has no regular shielding with laser-certified windows.

from what you described should be something like that
https://www.amazon.it/ridgeyard-incisione-aggiornamento-bricolage-artigianato/dp/b07b3rwqdp the protective cover with special certified glass is always present in the machines I saw.

 

[stevie]

the employer, pursuant to Legislative Decree 81/08, art. 70, paragraph 1, must make available to workers work equipment in accordance with the specific laws and regulations of transposition of the Community directives of product.
sanction to the employer and the manager: stop from three to six months or fine from 3.071,27 to 7.862,44 euro [Article 87(2)(a)Your company's responsible spp knows this well, you tell him.

as you see, it is not only about the manufacturer (who remains responsible for the fact that he has supplied a machine that does not comply with the directive, in violation of national laws, and specifically of Legislative Decree 17/2010), but also the company that has given the workers an unconformed equipment: the sentence does not mean that the statement is enough, but it is the equipment that must be compliant (there are various judgments in which the employer has been recognized guilty for non-compliance of the machines). sometimes we talk about blatant and occult non-conformity: It is irrelevant and if you are here to talk about it, you have doubts, someone indicates that there must be this and this other protection (without specific references take with the springs all that we write to you, I understand), probably so occult is not and the conformity is strongly doubtful.

Hi.

Who is the company's security manager?
it would be appropriate to talk to him, even because if something (something likely) happens, he also ends up in cases other than the employer and seller.

 

[pollo]

the head of security is the employer, the manager and the employee.
I said to speak to the head of the prevention and protection service, that you must see it as an internal consultant on such problems (of course he also has responsibility, but of different nature)

 

[stevie]

I was also referring to the safety workers' representative.

 

[stevie]

His thing. they have bought I can't answer you, I found it in the workshop with the indication of starting to put it in production and I noticed these things.
I'm trying to figure out what kind of laser it is, hoping it's written somewhere.
Can you tell me something?

Yes, as a machine manufacturer (not laser) I tell you it is not regular. . .

I think that guy is a private guy who put himself in the garage to deal with Chinese machines bought on aliexpress and resended loading craccati software. . .

who is responsible for purchasing in the company?

 

[pollo]

rls is a representative (generally of a union nature), not responsible. already the definition indicates responsibility of a different nature.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Yes, as a machine manufacturer (not laser) I tell you it is not regular. . .

I think that guy is a private guy who put himself in the garage to deal with Chinese machines bought on aliexpress and resended loading craccati software. . .

who is responsible for purchasing in the company?

the owner.
I talked to the character who sold it to us, says some consultants say they need fixed protection, others say otherwise.
He also says he had the declaration of conformity, even if he hasn't made me have it yet.

Among other things the machine "would" also affect tenacious steel, in particular now we have pieces in aisi420 which must be engraved at a depth of 0.3 mm.

 

[pollo]

on the protections is influential what the consultants say. It is only valid what the directive says through harmonized standards. the manufacturer does risk analysis and once it becomes acceptable it stops them. dl does the risk assessment document and if it considers them acceptable it stops. If he doesn't conform and hurt someone, they'll be the two of them to get company, and to pay the consultants to be defended, the lawyers idem, but in the end they'll pay more and more than to put it right.
if to save money do not look after expenses, then there is no history

 

[TECNOMODEL]

I managed to get a piece of paper
I'm going to kick those standards first.
from the info that I found this morning a laser class 4 must work completely caressed and with blocking of the processing in case of opening of the door, is this the thing that leaves me more perplexed, since the machine has the working table free.

 

[Stefano_GS]

this is for example one of the laser machines we had, other competitors were similar

 

[TECNOMODEL]

this is what has been purchased

 

[pollo]

the declaration must be in the language of the user country. looking at the photo, it actually seems that there are no impediments to reach the dangerous area and that any reflections are not projected out. Does the manual say anything about it? However, you can make a complaint to theinail and start the market control procedure.

 

[stevie]

this is what has been purchased
View attachment 54708

This is so panicful.. .
I would send it back as it does not comply with current regulations.

if you look at the site the most serious version is all nice carenata. . .

 

[TECNOMODEL]

This is so panicful.. .
I would send it back as it does not comply with current regulations.

if you look at the site the most serious version is all nice carenata. . .

I saw.
I see it hard, I say it doesn't answer the law, he has a certification in his hand that says otherwise.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

the declaration must be in the language of the user country. looking at the photo, it actually seems that there are no impediments to reach the dangerous area and that any reflections are not projected out. Does the manual say anything about it? However, you can make a complaint to theinail and start the market control procedure.

There's no manual.
Should you report to the company? or can I do it myself, without reporting the company that bought the machine?

 

[pollo]

inail also does consulting activities. Of course, the report is being put out of service.
the mabuale must be there (the phrase does not make sense).
he has a statement that in Italy is worth nothing (it must be in Italian, I miss the leggo)
do not pay for it, use some clause that you have put in the purchase contract. let the employer understand (arms and hand directives) that the pdcu is him.
the lack of conformity (demonstrate it)

 

[stevie]

I saw.
I see it hard, I say it doesn't answer the law, he has a certification in his hand that says otherwise.

that certification, apart from that it is in English, refers to a generic series mlm-lfo etc...
the machine you bought probably was modified or rebuilt
the fact that they miss the tags with the serial numbers.. .

for me does not conform
If you don't come to the head, make her replace her with the famine series or go for a lawyer.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

that certification, apart from that it is in English, refers to a generic series mlm-lfo etc...
the machine you bought probably was modified or rebuilt
the fact that they miss the tags with the serial numbers.. .

for me does not conform
If you don't come to the head, make her replace her with the famine series or go for a lawyer.

it was x me I would have already asked an opinion to our rspp, which is an outsider.
But I don't decide...

 

[Meteor02]

Piga che cinesata... I'd refuse to approach it, but put it in place if you burn an eye or skin like your boss puts it? It is a 4-class laser that works potentially refractive materials it is crazy to put it in a company with employees also being in a dedicated room and with only one employee the risk is too much.

 

[+forte]

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