parametric barrel windows and variable section walls

[DeDios]

Good morning to all,
I'm ingenious this morning in creating window openings and doors. following the discussion of the arch, I recreated a family opening from the family window.
I attach what I have accomplished (wip, but it should work more or less everything:tongue: ).
Now, I have a doubt about the locks: I have 4 types of clamping, what to do? Do I make four different families for every lockdown? because at first I had created only the entrance of the window, leaving a portion of the wall in order to apply another family lock but... it does not work because it does not recognize me that part of the wall (I think it intends everything as a window) so, as you can see in the annex I made the hole aside, and it touches me to make the locks in the same family.
Is that correct? tips/painting? thank you in advance, good day to all.

ps is normal that when I hang the window in the wall you see "orange"? I hope you don't see! Maybe it's because I applied them on a wall made "in place". I hope there's no problem with the renders.

 

[gfrank]

the family is "an object" that is used in the project.
the family is formed by "solids" and "empty" that sell between them assembled and "managed" with parameters.
other families (nidification) can be included in the family as they are consistent with the family itself.
nesting can be performed on various "levels" (nidified of nested .....)
families can be "free" or built on host elements (guest). the absence in the project of such hosts, inhibits the inclusion of the family in the project.

the parameters manage in addition to the dimensions/movements, even the materials, and the display. should be applied, if necessary) to all solids/empties that make up the family.

families must be assigned to specific categories, so that in the project:
- interact properly with other families;
- are recognized in the abachi for their peculiarities

see the general and specific family tutorials.

in general your considerations on the window, are correct.

 

[DeDios]

Thank you very much for the explanation, always very kind. I will try to insert a family tightening into the family I designed, and see what happens. I'm going to get the lock from scratch by parameterizing it, so I can use it in multiple windows
I will also watch tutorials!

 

[gfrank]

if the lock you designed contains a host, it is not possible to nest it in another family.
Moreover, in the specific case of windows (and doors) to hook a family of only lock to the empty family on host (muro) is complicated.

in my opinion, it is easier to make a family of windows for every type:
- family type a = window to two doors
- family type b = window to an door
- family type c = three-door window
etc. .
each including its "empty" on host
in the same you can (more easily) nest the details: hinges, pommels, handles, etc.

 

[DeDios]

Thanks for the tip! There's a lot of snacks on which to bang your head. :finger:

 

[DeDios]

Today I have reasoned a lot about the windows, in particular the problem that, placing the above-mentioned window in my wall inplace, you see "orange" (and transparent cut walls), as if there was some problem related to the family applied on the wall.
the problem, thinking about it, seems to be related to the fact that in creating the opening (launched in my post) used a "void" extrusion and not an "opening" in the wall. in fact if I use an opening cut the problem disappears, and the wall is "strong" correctly, also disappearing the orange background.
You will tell me, why don't you use an opening cut then? because (maybe mistaken) I cannot make an extrusion blend, but only a classic horizontal extrusion without being able to vary the two extrusion ends.
How to do that? These inplace walls create me a lot of problems, on the other hand I do not think there is any other solution, if not use them. the bee is that if you try to apply the opening on the classic wall, everything works wonder! it does not work only on my wall inplace, as it seems that, when they place the opening on my sets (at least 60cm thick, variable), it seems that the extrusion is not enough (it does not come physically to pierce everything, here perhaps the problem of the orange background and the various transparencies). Can it be a reference problem?
I could do all the windows inplace, but I'd be crazy I think, being all different. What do you say? Do I have to walk this way?
a greeting, good evening to all

 

[DeDios]

I add a practical example of the problem: I copied-paste from my project a part of perimeter with two types of windows in comparison (my and a present in the library).
You clearly see the problem.
I am really in doubt about how to proceed:frown:

 

[render54]

Hi.
pulls the subtraction solid beyond the external facade of the wall
♪

 

[DeDios]

you say it is not a problem if you see the inside of the wall cut orange (and if you notice well it is also transparent)? The error is not seen in the case of the window next door.

 

[gfrank]

..... the bee is that if you try to apply the opening on the classic wall, everything works wonder! it does not work only on my wall inplace, as it seems that, when they place the opening on my sets (at least 60cm thick, variable), it seems that the extrusion is not enough (it does not come physically to pierce everything, here perhaps the problem of the orange background and the various transparencies). .

the "internal" transparency of the shaped walls in place is a "problem" of the sw.

see:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=17348&highlight=window,+transparency

 

[DeDios]

What would you do in this case? would you continue to place the windows despite this problem? do you not see that?
good day

 

[render54]

I recharged your design and made some considerations,
If you put a window, transparency downwards you can't see
If you work in 2d i.e. in the plant, prospects and sections, the transparencies are not there.
only in 3d the glasses are transparent, you will have already noticed.
I don't know your window is just a hole or there's a lock
the window will cover the transparency downward,
If there is a stone contour, it covers the walls
anyway all this in 3d
I have rendered and the walls of the hole have the assigned material and therefore no transparency
Hi.
♪

 

[DeDios]

very kind!! :
Yes, I have to put a sill (parametric), but I don't know if to put it in the same family or create another. I see a little tomorrow morning since I'm going to do that!
about the holes, some will remain such, while some will be closed with the real lock.
Thank you so much again, you are very kind and patient. Sorry if I'm driving you crazy with my thousand questions!
ot the project is practically the recovery of a farmhouse in the province of lecco (common of sirone) and.. the idea is to make it a small spa with attached restaurant and rooms of overnight stay. probably will be our thesis project (but it is not safe).
If so, of course I will quote you in the thanks.
Greetings, and good evening!

 

[lance]

some personal considerations that I hope may be helpful:smile:

personally I stopped using the in-place wall system for managing walls to varying thicknesses,as you are realizing create more problems than benefits. the method I prefer is the use of the architectural columns that "support" to a wall of "system" manage any out-of- team. This way you get some advantages:
1)The pillar merges with the wall acquiring in the statitography of the latter.so I can get a correct visualization and a compute of the materials that I do not get with an in-place wall.
2)you avoid all the troubles you're fighting with.
3) if you return a model even not complex but every time you find a similar problem (mur out of team, especially ostical scales, complex samples etc.)you use an in-place family in order will become very weighing and therefore unmanageable.


about the creation of the window depends a little on what you want to get and what you have to do. .
in principle the most productive method (especially as a choice that pays for the long term) is to create many separate objects, i.e. davanzali,telai, persiane etc. and to assemble everything in the families you need from time to time, in fact you don't need to have dirt families libraries but components libraries to be assembled quickly according to need.
Unfortunately this presupposes a good knowledge of the topic families and especially of its most advanced parts (nidification, connection of parameters, use of formulas etc.).This is why you were advised to create distinct families but "autonomous"

 

[lance]

Sorry if I split the message technical problems

If you opt for the realization of separate elements the advice that I can give you is to create the various components from generic models (more freedom) and to assign the correct category before nesting in the host family (parameters and categories in the household editor) in this way once you upload the family into a project you can manage the graphic aspect and especially compute objects in the abachi.
the argument as you will have guessed is vast...I could recommend a great book but I am not the right person to do it.... :


Finally, for work I make projects just like what you are doing and revit is phenomenal!!! ! At the moment I am developing a system of parametric furniture for bars, restaurants, reception etc when it will be time if you need anything you ask as well.
bye and in luck:finger:

 

[DeDios]

hi lance (livestrong:finger: Thank you very much.
It is for four years now that I design with this software (pocketly so that I use it on the occasion of the design courses of polytechnic) but... it does not pass course that I do not notice how much I can learn, and how vast it is.
As for the inplace walls, yes.. I am creating a lot of trouble but for now it is the only method that has given me good results. I don't know the architectural columns, but I'll look better for sure
I don't know how I'm going to do anything about openings yet. I definitely want to draw more distinct parts and then insert them into the main family of opening.
about the project, ah yes? :smile: beautiful! then I will definitely ask you a few tips! :finger:
I also have to draw the pools, hydromassages, shower beds, saunas, etc... insomma, everything you find in a luxury spa
Good day, thank you again.

 

[DeDios]

personally I stopped using the in-place wall system for managing walls to varying thicknesses,as you are realizing create more problems than benefits. the method I prefer is the use of the architectural columns that "support" to a wall of "system" manage any out-of- team. This way you get some advantages:
1)The pillar merges with the wall acquiring in the statitography of the latter.so I can get a correct visualization and a compute of the materials that I do not get with an in-place wall.

hi lance, yesterday I tried to make the walls using the method of columns. actually seems better than using the inplace wall though, I have a problem: the column is not drilled by the locks. Now, the problem therefore does not solve, why can I create many columns with the size of the spaces between the windows but...how to do up to the windows? say you use a classic and parallel wall (when it is not really)?
Is there no way to create a family of walls with non parallel wires? I tried but there's no way. (or better, I can't do the extrusion that isn't parallel).
Why am I raising the problem? because I have to do sections at 50 and somehow I have to invent a system for internal layers.
I also tried to create more extrusions in the wall inplace (to go crazy) but..after they are not however drilled from the windows (or better, drill only one layer).

Thank you in advance, and apologize for the oct.

 

[lance]

create many columns with the size of the spaces between the windows

not so many columns but the whole façade with lots of holes for the windows...( generic model based on wall that then transforms into an architectural column).

 

[DeDios]

I understand. Osti, you knew it before! by now I have created all the parametric openings and I do not want to make them all back in the column. thanks anyway for the tip

 

[DeDios]

a question about quotations: Trying to quote all doors and windows, I noticed that I don't automatically quote mine, while the other "classes" yes. Do I have to set some parameters in particular to make my quoti in car?