salary designer mechanic rd

[genesis1975]

excuse but in those 5/8 years a worker has matured a specific experience that you have not yet.
the comparison if we want to do it well let's do it:
- Comparative input salary at entrance salary
- salary after x years of experience for both
- overall salary in the career span

without considering that you in principle will sit in an office (with all the positive and negative implications) while he does not

In fact the difference in salary is not at all, start with the second level of drawing and the equal worker. ..second level. When you draw before you start, you've spent so much money, he already earned it, and so when you get in, he's already gone to the third or fourth level, so he's going to earn a lot more... I don't see any advantage for the graduate, just penalties.

 

[genesis1975]

but if the graduate does not know how to give good his job must be paid more than one worker with the third media, who knows how to give it, only in the right of the title of study? does not exist?

I think that today the third media is strongly limiting in work, I would not make such extreme comparisons.. .

 

[Stan9411]

I know that this is something that will touch many in pride, but if you are just designers in your company, you can also have the phd al mit, but the added content that you bring to the product of your company will always be not very high. different speech if besides drawing, design, sized, modeled 3d, managed purchases, programmed, do structural analysis, thermal, fluid dynamics etc.
with this I do not want to say that a great designer does not deserve 1800-1900 € per month, but that he must not be surprised if then the skilled worker, capable and profitable he gains 2000.

the story of “that I studied to do 5-7 years .....” is bad. engineering do it if you like it, if you want money jurisprudence and economy are the ways

 

[ceschi1959]

is disregarded that a 'worker' has acquired experience in those 5 years. the student - graduated graduated in those years? but others have made the bouquet between differential equations elements (in)finished and similar amenities that have earned the acute degree and have learned things that have required commitment. there is also a question of question and offer, do not believe @stan9411 that lawyers pass it better, the market is saturating.

 

[cacciatorino]

is disregarded that a 'worker' has acquired experience in those 5 years. the student - graduated graduated in those years? but others have made the bouquet between differential equations elements (in)finished and similar amenities that have earned the acute degree and have learned things that have required commitment. there is also a question of question and offer, do not believe @stan9411 that lawyers pass it better, the market is saturating.

It's true, however, that the new graduate is basically incapable and so for the company it's a net expense, even if it should learn quickly and recover in a few years (or months) the time spent studying theory.

talking about money, if I don't remember an apprentice designer graduate takes about 20% more than the apprentice designer graduate (I hope I don't say crap, but I think I remember well). We are talking about income wages for both, while if the graduate apprentice sends him to the workshop and the apprentice graduate in ut the gap increases further.

 

[cacciatorino]

https://www.jobbydoo.it/stipendio/disegnatore-meccanicoan interesting table, but I think they mistranslated "designer" as a designer.

 

[Stan9411]

starting from the assumption that the graduate is incapable, just because you never see any other employment for him than having him pull two lines. .

 

[cacciatorino]

starting from the assumption that the graduate is incapable, just because you never see any other employment for him than having him pull two lines. .

Would you trust a project from 300,000 euros to a new graduate?
I've been misled, too.

 

[stevie]

in the whole question is neglecting the most important thing...the law demand-off.. .
in a market that is now saturated with designers/projectors (often pseudo-projectists) but where there is a shortage of good lathers on the parallel it is clear that, as absurd as it may seem, the latter receives better offers.

 

[Stan9411]

no one has said that a new master's degree should be a project manager, but if a large project in many sub-operations is split up, it is probably one of the most distant from the current formation of a master mechanic engineer. It may seem paradoxical but it is. I don't know what age you have and when you've graduated, but, to date, no university is there to get you to kick the baldassini in the fifth year of engineering. dynamics of systems, vibration mechanics, energy systems, unconventional technologies. the boys, at the end of this path are used to solve differential equations and to put matrices in matlab, python or c++. the working figures that should go to cover should predict these skills. Instead, employers beat them to pull lines. and wonder if many of them do not remember (or do not know) how to quote the seat of a stick.

"old" professionals always complain that young people have no idea how the world of work works, but do they know how the university world works?

to me it seems that it is the world of work not to provide job opportunities in line with the skills that many graduates have. and not the contrary.

 

[Stefano_GS]

excuse and what would be the work in which you daily have to solve differential equations, use matlab?

if we want to tell you all the university preparation is distant from the professional world but above all are the expectations of a new engineer to be distorted.

your training must be able to understand why the phenomena you face, why on the baldassini (which badly mentions in negative sense) some solutions already pre-compiled. your added value is to understand whether in that context you can apply a certain rule or not if the result from a software is sensible or not.

often then as an engineer you will have to cope mainly with management activities, only a small part of the engineers actually works as a pure designer.

ps: I graduated in 2010

 

[cacciatorino]

I took my degree in '97. It is true that the formation of the aun is eminently theoretical, and it is right so because so much then the practice learns it working and instead the opposite is impossible. and by personal experience I have seen that all the ing that enter ut begin by putting on the table the a4, and then slowly grow. the story of the ining that makes calculations and then the perits draw the overalls is something that maybe was true in the '50s, now the designer is required much more.

 

[Stan9411]

excuse and what would be the work in which you daily have to solve differential equations, use matlab?

This phrase confirms my point of view. the Italian market does not need these figures. but the figures coming out of the university are these. or change the university system or perhaps it is the case that some companies invest a little more on analysis and development.

often then as an engineer you will have to cope mainly with management activities, only a small part of the engineers actually works as a pure designer

other concept confirming my thesis. If people spend 5 years solving equations and employers put them to compile tables, it means something is wrong. And I don't think it's the boys' training.

your training must serve you to be able to understand why the phenomena facing

phenomena instead of trying to understand them to sensations, you could try to model them and analyze them. Engineering graduates are trained at this. but companies must give them the possibility and the tools. and instead (and I repeat) put them to spulciate the baldassini and to draw lines. that the baldassini is a very useful and well done tool is out of discussion. So I’m not saying anything “badly.” I feel negative because here it seems that every guy with a master's degree must have one under the pillow. but the reality of training paths is another. Just go and read your plans.

 

[Stan9411]

the story of the ining that makes calculations and then the perits draw the overalls is something that maybe was true in the '50s, now the designer is required much more.

I think the trend is the opposite. open the job offers and all require designers and modelers cad. few white flies make up r&d design and design and require engineers specifically for this.

 

[Stefano_GS]

I'm sorry, but you seem to be living in a whole world of yours, far from reality.
even a company that makes r&d perhaps at a very good level is not that it lives alone modeling and matrical analysis.

companies must respond to the market and to this they adapt, I do not see in what reality companies must adapt to the university proposal.

the legend that in Italy then things get to feel and abroad instead is different is a legend. the Italian industrial fabric is mostly formed by pmi, which are average aligned to their competitors around the world.

 

[cacciatorino]

I think the trend is the opposite. open the job offers and all require designers and modelers cad. few white flies make up r&d design and design and require engineers specifically for this.

from what companies tell me they no longer take into consideration neo-diplomati for ut, they only enter graduates ( graduates go directly to the workshop). so when you see ads for designers and modelers probably research is aimed at graduates, always admitting that they are people at the first working experiences. If you look for figures with 10 years of experience then the distinction no longer matters.

 

[stevie]

from what companies tell me they no longer take into consideration neo-diplomati for ut, they only enter graduates ( graduates go directly to the workshop). so when you see ads for designers and modelers probably research is aimed at graduates, always admitting that they are people at the first working experiences. If you look for figures with 10 years of experience then the distinction no longer matters.

I confirm.

 

[Jovanz]

graduation is a bad investment in a country for no meritocracy like Italy. in the various job announcements you find "lost or graduate in mechanical engineering", as if there was no difference between the two categories...Morely when you find yourself interviewing with a employer who barely has a higher degree.

if you can find a place to be a designer or designer (because even in the language of the labor market now seems to be no difference between the two words) at 1500€ net per month with thirteen monthlyities you feel lucky.

I am a master mechanic engineer with 15 years of experience, currently contracted 5° metal mechanic level and believe me. ..those times that understood to an interview the figures are around 1350€ monthly / 13 monthly. or I'll be loser... or people don't give a c. of who you are or what degree you have. The important thing is that you do well to use a drawing software, then if you like it is so otherwise a little girl any subpaid you find it anyway. this is the mentality of the Italian middle entrepreneur.

 

[Jovanz]

Finally, I attach this sympathetic image to the level of calculation required by schools and the world of work....a reason why engineers are not assessed as they should in this country.

 

[paulpaul]

...those times that understood to an interview the figures are around 1350€ monthly / 13 monthly.

Can I ask you some more info? job in detail, company size and industry: it seems incredibly (and outrageously) low for one of 15 years of experience.