salary designer mechanic rd

[paulpaul]

I confirm.

I forget, though I may be the exception
for the position of designer we look for (behind my request) only graduates. even fresh of school, if necessary.
engineers we have recently hired (dedicated to orders) draw quite rarely, and deal mainly with calculations and checks, both cold and hot!

 

[Jovanz]

Can I ask you some more info? job in detail, company size and industry: it seems incredibly (and outrageously) low for one of 15 years of experience.

In fact, the interviews I supported were small businesses or under 15 or 20 workers. the figures they were looking for were mainly 3d designers...from those who were without office technicians because this had gone from one day to another leaving the drawings in half...to those who simply searched for a designer/technician who followed the orders and works of carpentry. I repeat, it didn't matter if I was 15 years of experience in other companies or graduate.. They needed a figure that could handle the office and understand something of a design, and I'm telling you about the province of Milan.

 

[paulpaul]

Okay, but they weren't looking for a graduate job (which I think is a very low salary for a graduate), unless they even asked for structural verification of carpenters.
probably in a different sector/company you would find better salaries and more consonant tasks on the path of studies, without removing anything from the design (if one does design, species r&d, I think it is essential to know it for anyone).

 

[Stan9411]

but if you run for a design position, more in a small company, how do you expect your engineering qualification to be exalted, in the job and salary? if you want more than 1300€ per month you should propose for jobs that “only you” know how to do, not for drawing positions. to the company rubs zero that you have graduated and worked for 15 years, when a graduate with 5 years of experience probably knows how to do the same things with less pretense.

I on this forum continue to collide on this issue and to me it seems absurd that, in 2020, people who have studied do not understand what should be their employment outlets.

 

[Jovanz]

Well, actually, I'm not the one running as a designer, but I'm the companies seeing my profile as an engineer with experience in fem analysis and structural calculation with a lot of stamp and signature looking for me for the position of designer/designer (although according to them being a designer is to make the designer). then you know, I know several smart guys, graduates, with experience and professionalism, work in small businesses and be put to do anything else or earn little compared to their titles and abilities. ..poor...maybe as you say they all have confused their professional outlets, or maybe you are you who in 2020 has not yet understood how the world of work in this country works.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Well, actually, I'm not the one running as a designer, but I'm the companies seeing my profile as an engineer with experience in fem analysis and structural calculation with a lot of stamp and signature looking for me for the position of designer/designer (although according to them being a designer is to make the designer). then you know, I know several smart guys, graduates, with experience and professionalism, work in small businesses and be put to do anything else or earn little compared to their titles and abilities. ..poor...maybe as you say they all have confused their professional outlets, or maybe you are you who in 2020 has not yet understood how the world of work in this country works.

I am not an engineer, but I have over 30 years of experience in mechanics, many of which in plastic molds.
I also happen that companies or selection agencies contact me for some positions.
after some occasions when "I lost time" I learned to filter these contacts.
First of all, I ask for information on the type of figure you are looking for, then I immediately clarify which points you are standing. type of contract and salary, for example.
when I point out that I have an indefinite contract, a x salary and under those conditions I do not move a lot of situations where a figure is sought with professionalism less than mine.

 

[stevie]

I am not an engineer, but I have over 30 years of experience in mechanics, many of which in plastic molds.
I also happen that companies or selection agencies contact me for some positions.
after some occasions when "I lost time" I learned to filter these contacts.
First of all, I ask for information on the type of figure you are looking for, then I immediately clarify which points you are standing. type of contract and salary, for example.
when I point out that I have an indefinite contract, a x salary and under those conditions I do not move a lot of situations where a figure is sought with professionalism less than mine.

never accept offers lower than the current, even if they are promised seas and mountains and the company is proposed as "world leader in bla bla bla bla bla etc"...

 

[Stan9411]

I sincerely do a work as a mechanical engineer, that graduates (at least from us) do not have the skills to do and are paid the right for my seniority.

But I don't understand how the world goes...

 

[Stan9411]

just to be clear:
work in a company that makes industrial automation systems.
my job is to perform dynamic analysis, interface me with testing to get the parameters of the components we buy and simulate the behavior of the assembled system.
occasionally logical development of control in collaboration with electronics and time cutouts development small codes to speed up some verification procedures.
used software: 10% cad (ptc) , 90% matlab (or python when the matlab license does not allow to deepen certain aspects).
I spend time writing equation systems. I studied that. I'll do that.
I probably can’t properly put the pulley on the table that in my simulations is a disk with an inertia, but fortunately I have colleagues, graduates, who have a decades-long experience in doing so.

my experience in the role: Two poor years.
ral: 28000

 

[PierArg]

I agree with the good Your emails .
The geographical factor also plays a very important role.
two years ago I had interviews to hire the two current junior designers in the company and I came across with profiles almost all graduates who earned on average about 1800€ net for 13 monthly (including overtime though).

 

[teseo]

I read all the posts, or almost, and I get a spontaneous question, we are all here to discuss whether it is right or not that an engineer takes more than one worker or not. the answer is obvious sure that you because if not one you make the deck for 5 bar 7 years.... .
but the focal point is another: according to the hunter chart an engineer or graduate and therefore a person who studied that does not only close the boxes at the bottom of the assembly line (with all respect) that is done at least 40 hours a week takes as average 1650 euros monthly.
Now put it in a family of 3 people, this dies of hunger or down of them, if the second member of the family does not work, and then you know what a beautiful life of........
No one got angry about this... and it's scandalous. . .
future generations if they will pass it ever worse, the truth and that in Italy, with an excuse of the crisis, (which is generalized) the salary decreases and the companies make more and more money.... and it is time to end it with certain statements that make only piss off like "no, those are employee privileges. I am now delighted to do the tricks with my fiat jtd euro 3. :d" because then you don't close the company and go to the employee since it is so beautiful and charming and you earn a lot of money.... .

I'm sorry, but when I hear things, I'm a little tired.

ps I am a graduate and fortunately I work in a company that at the end of the year redistributes the earnings to its employees regarding other realities....but we are a very rare reality feeling around...

 

[cacciatorino]

"No, those are employee privileges. I am now delighted to do the tricks with my fiat jtd euro 3. :d" because then you don't close the company and go to the employee since it is so beautiful and charming and you earn a lot of money.... .

I'm sorry, but when I hear things, I'm a little tired.

Have patience, maybe there are free professionals more successful than me. I work as an autonomous not so much for gain, which at the moment is very scarce once deducted the expenses but for the freedom of time that allows me to personally manage certain aspects of private life that otherwise I should delegate to others (after recovery in holidays or in hours normally destined to rest).

But here' between shopping offices that offer you reduced by 40% and administrative offices that pay you to 60/90 dffm which then systematically become 80/110 (after you paid employees at the right time) the situation is not what you think. Maybe it is for real companies, not for free professionals.

 

[teseo]

Have patience, maybe there are free professionals more successful than me. I work as an autonomous not so much for gain, which at the moment is very scarce once deducted the expenses but for the freedom of time that allows me to personally manage certain aspects of private life that otherwise I should delegate to others (after recovery in holidays or in hours normally destined to rest).

But here' between shopping offices that offer you reduced by 40% and administrative offices that pay you to 60/90 dffm which then systematically become 80/110 (after you paid employees at the right time) the situation is not what you think. Maybe it is for real companies, not for free professionals.

look I have all the patience you want, said this will never end; so I would say to close the discussion here....

greetings

 

[PIETRO2002]

The speech is that you're both right in different positions! Unfortunately in recent years things have worsened for those who work, whether they are dependent or autonomous!
It will be globalization, proof is that the middle class all over the world is impoverished, and the rich are always fewer and richer!
once if the head of the family was working, today even if you work in two you have to pull the belt!
This is not sociology, but it is reality!
Unfortunately here we are all on the same boat and we end up making the question between "poor"!

 

[Chris_BRB]

I forget, though I may be the exception
for the position of designer we look for (behind my request) only graduates. even fresh of school, if necessary.
engineers we have recently hired (dedicated to orders) draw quite rarely, and deal mainly with calculations and checks, both cold and hot!

I also find myself in denial, I am mechanical expert and I have about 4 years experience in mechanical design. I currently work in ut with engineers and experts in a machine building firm and often I happen job offers in the field of design even if the cv clearly speaks that I am not graduated... I also see the offers citing mechanical engineer or mechanical expert... Then I agree that an expert will never be able to do certain studies and calculations that can do an ing because he has another type of training. . It always depends on what the company does.... if it builds sheet furniture it probably can go well a peritum, if it builds wagon bridges maybe it is better to have a graduate designer

 

[paulpaul]

@eros1992 Exactly, it depends on what you plan. I believe that for the automatic machine industry in general (that from my parts is developed) a good expert, well prepared and with passion, can still aspire to roles of very first floor in ut without any problem.
I think, however, that in other sectors the graduate is an indispensable figure, because of his knowledge of design, technology and the choice of standard parts: these characteristics make it suitable for the role of designers more than an engineer, with greater satisfaction of both figures.

 

[stevie]

I read all the posts, or almost, and I get a spontaneous question, we are all here to discuss whether it is right or not that an engineer takes more than one worker or not. the answer is obvious sure that you because if not one you make the deck for 5 bar 7 years.... .
but the focal point is another: according to the hunter chart an engineer or graduate and therefore a person who studied that does not only close the boxes at the bottom of the assembly line (with all respect) that is done at least 40 hours a week takes as average 1650 euros monthly.
Now put it in a family of 3 people, this dies of hunger or down of them, if the second member of the family does not work, and then you know what a beautiful life of........
No one got angry about this... and it's scandalous. . .
future generations if they will pass it ever worse, the truth and that in Italy, with an excuse of the crisis, (which is generalized) the salary decreases and the companies make more and more money.... and it is time to end it with certain statements that make only piss off like "no, those are employee privileges. I am now delighted to do the tricks with my fiat jtd euro 3. :d" because then you don't close the company and go to the employee since it is so beautiful and charming and you earn a lot of money.... .

I'm sorry, but when I hear things, I'm a little tired.

ps I am a graduate and fortunately I work in a company that at the end of the year redistributes the earnings to its employees regarding other realities....but we are a very rare reality feeling around...

when you say "why don't you close the company and go to the employee?" you assume that you can find work from today to tomorrow, in a company that is believed to be valid from the job and remuneration point of view, etc.
Well, I don't think that's how it is today in Italy to 2020. .

As for the low average value of Italian wages this is a known problem. . .

 

[teseo]

when you say "why don't you close the company and go to the employee?" you assume that you can find work from today to tomorrow, in a company that is believed to be valid from the job and remuneration point of view, etc.
Well, I don't think that's how it is today in Italy to 2020. .

As for the low average value of Italian wages this is a known problem. . .

for the first part if one prefers so much the employee's job with calmly finds one and then closes the company....it must not do it tomorrow can also take a few years ....certo in 2020 is not easy but not impossible. ....

On the other hand, with regard to the final phrase "that is, it is so and so well..." is this the wrong attitude.... is an attitude that from the working point of view would be understood as menefreghismo. . . .

 

[stevie]

I didn't say that "it was good like that," it's not good at all.
the problem is quite complicated and it is not the responsibility of companies, if not at least part.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

I didn't say that "it was good like that," it's not good at all.
the problem is quite complicated and it is not the responsibility of companies, if not at least part.

Well, I don't think that's the right definition.
there are companies that pay ridiculous salaries, taking advantage of each ankle, type contracts term, administration, internships etc.
others who have stable employees and adequate salaries.
If the second ones do it, why shouldn't the first ones do it?
Different choices? also market? I mean, you make a "poor" product and you want to compete with the Chinese?