unsatisfied neo-engineer

[Stefano_GS]

This will be my last post in this discussion that is becoming absurd.
Your position is now rooted and nothing and no one will change your mind. even if when you enrolled at the university all the tools were already available online to make your own idea based on the data of the % employment, average wages by category.
I conclude by reasserting here already told you by others:
engineering teaches you well to make the engineer (then I will be lucky to have made the polytechnic of torino and elsewhere maybe it is different but I don't think) that doesn't mean to make the designer. There are very ambitious figures of engineer-manager and engineers involved in supplychian processes, quality system management, sales support, and other business processes.

with this I greet you and wish you a day to change your mind

 

[paulpaul]

I think he's doing something vintage now, which is trolling on a forum, I don't see any other explanation

I heard troll smell from the very first message...

 

[stevie]

I heard troll smell from the very first message...

Beyond the case of species there is certainly a problem related to demansionment and occupational precariousness that affects young people and not.
the culprit of this state of affairs is certainly not the university, if anything the weak Italian entrepreneurial system constituted by a myriad of small and very small companies unable to compete effectively in a world now globalized if not resorting to the compression of already low Italian wages.
to this let us add the voracious fiscal wedge and we have made tombola!
with this intervention I also close participation in the discussion in order not to feed useless polemics, my advice I have given them willingly, and how to say "who has ears to mean"!

 

[TAURUS77]

Dear colleagues,
I've been a part of cad3d for nine years but a "ad cazzum" discussion like this I haven't crossed it yet. each of us has reported opinions and experiences but the type does not react to inputs.
here down from my side we say "larga un ci veni e stritta un ci trasi" translation "larga does not go and narrow does not enter".
is it not that you need a stronger support that we cannot give you here?

 

[PIETRO2002]

Dear colleagues,
I've been a part of cad3d for nine years but a "ad cazzum" discussion like this I haven't crossed it yet. each of us has reported opinions and experiences but the type does not react to inputs.
here down from my side we say "larga un ci veni e stritta un ci trasi" translation "larga does not go and narrow does not enter".
is it not that you need a stronger support that we cannot give you here?

soon, the support of the followers of freud, we need it... :

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Dear colleagues,
I've been a part of cad3d for nine years but a "ad cazzum" discussion like this I haven't crossed it yet. each of us has reported opinions and experiences but the type does not react to inputs.
here down from my side we say "larga un ci veni e stritta un ci trasi" translation "larga does not go and narrow does not enter".
is it not that you need a stronger support that we cannot give you here?

Then you've lost impossible to find a job in Emilia

 

[Marco9669]

What can I say, if you're not right?
enroll all! live engineering! You will learn algebra, analysis 1, analysis 2, the method of finite elements (which by name seems as cool as every university course but in the substance are only useless matrices because if you do not use a software today you are out on the start), and also the circles of mohr! strength boys, surely in an interview will ask you if you know to find an autovalor of a matrix!!! !
surely in an interview will be the thing that will make the difference!

But who are you kidding?
No more me gentlemen. I don't believe in promises anymore, nor at university executions. what I see is that half of my old course is abroad (parigi goes out of fashion lately), 1/4 is in family business (good for them) and among other 1/4 half works in a completely different sector while the remaining part wants to change work because it does not earn a cabbage and it feels stupid to do difficult things but then take as the girl who does bubbles.
It is not algebra, nor so much less system control theory that you assume how much instead you are willing to do an internship and be in the right age for the apprenticeship or for some other tax relief. money commands and it will certainly not be a useless examination to make this reality change.
time ago it was different I repeat. There was no other way to make a calculation... today a 20-year-old boy with a simple diploma, but who learned ansys laughs in your face if you talk about university thermodynamic examinations (and it's good because navie-stokes is not the thermodynamic that you need today! As the world goes on and he has work even if he doesn't even know who the hell is ship-stokes?
I would like to say that the university is not an indispensable requirement: Stop graduation. and since engineering has fun to fail I recommend not to do it since it is not indispensable and is not counted as 5 years of experience.

go look for yourself and you will see that they care that you have more or less the idea of what is the work to do and that you can use the software, and with some experience you have the job.
Moreover boys here in Italy you are considered junior as well after 5 years of work so first you start and first you can have 10 years of experience:and even if they are all job offers with very selected requirements I guarantee that salaries remain equal to any other employee. sometimes less.
said this guilt is also ours that we do not stop shooting cracked and do not admit that the university is an association in the edge of the barter because it cannot compete with the speed of growth of the entrepreneurial world. She's not behind them, and she doesn't even want to follow her because she's full of herself.
Moreover, there is not the right appreciation. It is not possible that if I put my resume in any employment agency I get 10 job offers per day but no one exceeds 1500netti. How is it that only in Italy if the question exceeds the offer the salary does not increase?
because you problems are money! because I invested in a training (which has disappointed a lot but the fault is not mine), and I am investing time now to learn the different business software and it is right that it is paid more since this job is required and we are in 3 cats still to throw our lives seriously.
because it is true that a mechanical engineer must not only see the money and it is sad to see one who thinks so much but it is also true that it is bad but I am almost 30 years old and I take as a kid. And who will give it back to me? And the money I threw at us?
Rethinking at all times that university professors did a degree in engineering a bible comes to me laughing, but in reality everything goes...in the end they know about life? they just saw the university walls.. or maybe they know their own life well and they realized that it is better to sit there in the chair than to come to work in the company? !
I said this for me too is the last post, I answer for the last time saying that I am not a troll and that frankly I never spit shit on this job! I love this job and that's why I'm angry. angry that it is not appreciated the right, angry that it is not recognized and angry because what I have said until now actually is the truth (and the proof is that the messages you sent were all offense and no actual reason that carried the balance on the other side...ah you who made algebra and thermofluid.....wow!).
I will not answer that. I thank the real advice of the few who have just looked at me in the eyes and to tell me: "It sucks, so either better and open game iva, or go abroad"
.

 

[TETRASTORE]

How is it that only in Italy if the question exceeds the offer the salary does not increase?

at this point I see only one answer: transferred abroad and joins the ranks of those more or less satisfied graduates who have found a job in their expectations and perhaps... luck.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I would like to say that the university is not an indispensable requirement: Stop graduation.

but jokes?, but just a professional school like I did, 2 years, three if you want to be cool, and start working do a little workshop just to learn how to read a drawing and then immediately in the technical office. If then, contrary to how I did, in the evening studies on the books of those losers of university within 30 years you are already a top engineer of range from 2500€.

Take away the irony above I have nothing to say but sadness! ! !

 

[TECNOMODEL]

What can I say, if you're not right?
enroll all! live engineering! You will learn algebra, analysis 1, analysis 2, the method of finite elements (which by name seems as cool as every university course but in the substance are only useless matrices because if you do not use a software today you are out on the start), and also the circles of mohr! strength boys, surely in an interview will ask you if you know to find an autovalor of a matrix!!! !
surely in an interview will be the thing that will make the difference!

But who are you kidding?
No more me gentlemen. I don't believe in promises anymore, nor at university executions. what I see is that half of my old course is abroad (parigi goes out of fashion lately), 1/4 is in family business (good for them) and among other 1/4 half works in a completely different sector while the remaining part wants to change work because it does not earn a cabbage and it feels stupid to do difficult things but then take as the girl who does bubbles.
It is not algebra, nor so much less system control theory that you assume how much instead you are willing to do an internship and be in the right age for the apprenticeship or for some other tax relief. money commands and it will certainly not be a useless examination to make this reality change.
time ago it was different I repeat. There was no other way to make a calculation... today a 20-year-old boy with a simple diploma, but who learned ansys laughs in your face if you talk about university thermodynamic examinations (and it's good because navie-stokes is not the thermodynamic that you need today! As the world goes on and he has work even if he doesn't even know who the hell is ship-stokes?
I would like to say that the university is not an indispensable requirement: Stop graduation. and since engineering has fun to fail I recommend not to do it since it is not indispensable and is not counted as 5 years of experience.View attachment 64193
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View attachment 64194go look for yourself and you will see that they care that you have more or less the idea of what is the work to do and that you can use the software, and with some experience you have the job.
Moreover boys here in Italy you are considered junior as well after 5 years of work so first you start and first you can have 10 years of experience:View attachment 64195and even if they are all job offers with very selected requirements I guarantee that salaries remain equal to any other employee. sometimes less.
said this guilt is also ours that we do not stop shooting cracked and do not admit that the university is an association in the edge of the barter because it cannot compete with the speed of growth of the entrepreneurial world. She's not behind them, and she doesn't even want to follow her because she's full of herself.
Moreover, there is not the right appreciation. It is not possible that if I put my resume in any employment agency I get 10 job offers per day but no one exceeds 1500netti. How is it that only in Italy if the question exceeds the offer the salary does not increase?
because you problems are money! because I invested in a training (which has disappointed a lot but the fault is not mine), and I am investing time now to learn the different business software and it is right that it is paid more since this job is required and we are in 3 cats still to throw our lives seriously.
because it is true that a mechanical engineer must not only see the money and it is sad to see one who thinks so much but it is also true that it is bad but I am almost 30 years old and I take as a kid. And who will give it back to me? And the money I threw at us?
Rethinking at all times that university professors did a degree in engineering a bible comes to me laughing, but in reality everything goes...in the end they know about life? they just saw the university walls.. or maybe they know their own life well and they realized that it is better to sit there in the chair than to come to work in the company? !
I said this for me too is the last post, I answer for the last time saying that I am not a troll and that frankly I never spit shit on this job! I love this job and that's why I'm angry. angry that it is not appreciated the right, angry that it is not recognized and angry because what I have said until now actually is the truth (and the proof is that the messages you sent were all offense and no actual reason that carried the balance on the other side...ah you who made algebra and thermofluid.....wow!).
I will not answer that. I thank the real advice of the few who have just looked at me in the eyes and to tell me: "It sucks, so either better and open game iva, or go abroad"
.

you will not be a troll but you behave as such, you have attached only useful job offers to demonstrate your theory, jobs where the ability to dimension organs is not required, the ability to perform fem analysis, fluid dynamics, thermodynamics etc.
go look for offers where these skills are required, then see if the diploma is sufficient.
and stop carrying on that c...ta so anyone can do fem analysis, fluid dynamics etc, because the buttons learn to click all but then the setting is done in the correct way and the interpretation of the results is just as right is all to see.
as told by others, go abroad, then when you return with the tail between the legs because there they look for the skills that from the Italian university, unless you adapt to do the dishwasher, then we will talk about it.

 

[Mario SJPD]

I will not answer that. I thank the real advice of the few who have just looked at me in the eyes and to tell me: "It sucks, so either better and open game iva, or go abroad"

I can only wish you to find peace and quiet,
Your point of view is clear to all.
The last advice,
the past has gone now if you don't like the situation where you find yourself making decisions to change it

Good luck

 

[beppino]

certain that graduating in engineering, seeking only job positions from itis and then complaining of the time lost to studying does not seem a very sensible reasoning.

 

[wert]

I have already written it, but I think it is appropriate to repeat it: the knowledge of a mechanical engineer will always be greater than an expert, as it may be willing. But what happens in the reality of the working world is that there are more engineers on the market than I really need and this determines a "sale" of the skills of an engineer, who to work, adapts to do a job as a designer (because of designers there is still so much need...). Probably our repented engineer is part of this line of "designer engineers". I don't know if going abroad can give him satisfaction, as well as opening a game iva... Perhaps you could try in other areas that are not pure design.

 

[Tristus]

How is it that only in Italy if the question exceeds the offer the salary does not increase?

This question makes more sense. that this is the main cause of your anger?

anyway attention to burnout syndrome.
(some symptoms, not to take subgamba):
-- feeling underrated
-- sense of not being able to give the best.
-- sense of loss of meaning of its activity

but probably yours is just a rash, and similar vents I noticed them in those who from abroad were talking about having found a professional realization (but also and above all economic) that in Italy would not have been possible. at this point I ask: is the fault really to be charged to the university? or did the answer already give you when you asked the question that I quoted at the beginning of my comment?

the university is not (it should not be) only formulas, but all a baggage you need also for problem solving (as the English say) during the exercise of your profession. Although perfect (like anything) the Italian university is not exactly to throw away.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

This question makes more sense. that this is the main cause of your anger?

attention to burnout syndrome.
(some symptoms, not to take subgamba):
-- feeling underrated
-- sense of not being able to give the best.
-- sense of loss of meaning of its activity

but probably yours is just a rash, and similar vents I noticed them in those who from abroad were talking about having found a professional realization (but also and above all economic) that in Italy would not have been possible. at this point I ask: is the fault really to be charged to the university? or did the answer already give you when you asked the question that I quoted at the beginning of my comment?

the university is not (it should not be) only formulas, but all a baggage you need also for problem solving (as the English say) during the exercise of your profession. eppoi, albeit perfectable (like anything) the Italian university is not just to throw away.

the error of departure is precisely in the question you have quoted, in Italy the offer exceeds the question, as evidenced also by @wert .
the university produces many more engineers than the market requires, the salaries, consequently, are not commensurate with the actual tasks carried out.

 

[stevie]

This question makes more sense. that this is the main cause of your anger?

anyway attention to burnout syndrome.
(some symptoms, not to take subgamba):
-- feeling underrated
-- sense of not being able to give the best.
-- sense of loss of meaning of its activity

but probably yours is just a rash, and similar vents I noticed them in those who from abroad were talking about having found a professional realization (but also and above all economic) that in Italy would not have been possible. at this point I ask: is the fault really to be charged to the university? or did the answer already give you when you asked the question that I quoted at the beginning of my comment?

the university is not (it should not be) only formulas, but all a baggage you need also for problem solving (as the English say) during the exercise of your profession. Although perfect (like anything) the Italian university is not exactly to throw away.

It is what I have supported since the first intervention I have done in this discussion. . .
the fault is not of the Italian university, that as to educational programs is comparable to those of other European universities
the problem is related to the lack of working positions that can fully exploit the skills acquired during the university

not by chance personally have been years that I disagree with engineering, unless you have an absurd passion for study and matter, and that you are willing to consider the hypothesis of emigrating

 

[Stan9411]

you will not be a troll but you behave as such, you have attached only useful job offers to demonstrate your theory, jobs where the ability to dimension organs is not required, the ability to perform fem analysis, fluid dynamics, thermodynamics etc.
go look for offers where these skills are required, then see if the diploma is sufficient.
and stop carrying on that c...ta so anyone can do fem analysis, fluid dynamics etc, because the buttons learn to click all but then the setting is done in the correct way and the interpretation of the results is just as right is all to see.
as told by others, go abroad, then when you return with the tail between the legs because there they look for the skills that from the Italian university, unless you adapt to do the dishwasher, then we will talk about it.

amen

 

[TECNOMODEL]

amen

In fact it would be the only sensible thing to do, close this absurd thread and put a stone on it, given the utility that can have

 

[wert]

In fact it would be the only sensible thing to do, close this absurd thread and put a stone on it, given the utility that can have

Well, I wouldn't throw everything away. to something this discussion has served. someone who was going to enroll in mechanical engineering maybe think about it a little more...

 

[Tristus]

the university produces many more engineers than the market requires, the salaries, consequently, are not commensurate with the actual tasks carried out.

the classic rule of the market.
according to my very modest opinion, in Italy it subpays very easily, almost a culture of the subpaga. But it would be too easy to indicate one guilty. I think it's all a mix of things. Italy probably grows less than other countries for which the graduate, in order to find what he believes is a just professional and economic fulfillment, he sees himself forced to go elsewhere.
if then politics is distracted maybe it facilitates things to those who have interest in subpagging, giving out formulas that eventually end up precharging the job.
In short, a mix of factors.
I'm not a politician, no economist, but I look around.

not all are willing to accept passively. and from here arise the dissatisfactions that in some cases (not by chance I have spoken of burnout syndrome) flow into depression, anxieties etc. that affect in the social life of the person who is affected. That syndrome really exists, it is confused with infantilism... and instead of real syndrome it is. and it is good that one takes the keyboard and can vent. At the end of the day, he's arguing problems, perhaps exaggerating them, dramatizing them a little too much, but they are problems that exist and that politics often fails to grasp.

the Italian university absolverei, not because the young people who fly abroad have only to set themselves in the new working reality, for the rest they leave well supplied from our school.