passage to 3d

[Per5]

Good morning to all,

work in a company producing conveyor belts,
We are considering the purchase of a cad3d, which I am totally ignorant in this matter, we are however indexed between inventor and solidworks,
Currently we use autocad mechanical 2009, so consider that updates for us are optional.
every board is well accepted.

thanks in advance

 

[TECNOMODEL]

if you use autocad the choice is almost obligatory.
with inventor you will be able to view autocad drawings, with others not.

Unfortunately it is the big problem of companies that already have a previous archive, you are almost obliged not to change cad unless you want to do a job by doing all the archive with the new system.

 

[Per5]

if you use autocad the choice is almost obligatory.
with inventor you will be able to view autocad drawings, with others not.

Unfortunately it is the big problem of companies that already have a previous archive, you are almost obliged not to change cad unless you want to do a job by doing all the archive with the new system.

therefore there is also this "freshing" using solidwork you cannot perform 2d designs editable with autcad .
is it not possible to load the 2d of autocad with solidwork?
In any case beyond the compulsory choice which of the two systems is better, is it only question of points of view or objectively a system is substantially supper to the other?

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Exactly, everything you created in autocad with solidworks does not open it.
However, with inventor you open them but you do nothing, the advantage is that if you buy a suite you have together with inventor also autocad mechanical.

for the speech on the level of the software are substantially equivalent, in my opinion sw is a little more friendly and less slender.
inventor has a better table, besides with the suite "base" you have several useful tools, see vault, a360, study etc.

you have to evaluate what you need and see in the packages what they offer.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

with solidworks you can import dwg or dxf, but these will not be tied to autocad (they are not equivalent to xrefs to understand), but the quotas will be imported as such.
However it is a thing that should be handled with delicacy because it first weighs down the file and because you might have problems of parameterization in the case of changes.

the two software substantially equals. both have strong points and weak points (for which I allow you to search in the forum that is spoken to iosa) which obviously have to be evaluated by those who have to use them in function to what will give more importance

 

[Per5]

Exactly, everything you created in autocad with solidworks does not open it.
However, with inventor you open them but you do nothing, the advantage is that if you buy a suite you have together with inventor also autocad mechanical.

for the speech on the level of the software are substantially equivalent, in my opinion sw is a little more friendly and less slender.
inventor has a better table, besides with the suite "base" you have several useful tools, see vault, a360, study etc.

you have to evaluate what you need and see in the packages what they offer.

we have a 20-year architecture of dwg drawings, are not mechanically complex machines, except rare cases, start with solidwork what would it entail?
the dwg designs could always open them with autocad, the new designs would still have a table set in 2d for us essential as our current dwg designs?

with solidworks you can import dwg or dxf, but these will not be tied to autocad (they are not equivalent to xrefs to understand), but the quotas will be imported as such.
However it is a thing that should be handled with delicacy because it first weighs down the file and because you might have problems of parameterization in the case of changes.

the two software substantially equals. both have strong points and weak points (for which I allow you to search in the forum that is spoken to iosa) which obviously have to be evaluated by those who have to use them in function to what will give more importance

Is this compatibility useful between autocad and invertor, or can we use solidworks without any major problems?

 

[TECNOMODEL]

2d and 3d are different worlds.
as you said you can hold the autocad license only x the old drawings and from a certain moment on to pass to the 3d, whether sw or inventor.

the advantage is that you have the tables linked to the 3d model, to the vary of one also varies the other.
then it is up to you to choose whether after doing the 3d you need to put on the table or not.

depends also on the work, if you use cnc with the cam it amounts 3d geometry and work that.
the table according to me serves, to indicate tolerances, materials etc.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I inventor never really used it, I gave a peek a few years ago to model and nothing else. So what I told you is what I read in the threads that I recommend you search in the forum.
If you start from scratch I don't think that learning one or the other makes a difference because you don't have mental patterns and pre-accession modeling because you go looking for the certain passage that was so convenient with the software you used before.

Instead it is important to establish the product that you do because each software has characteristics that facilitate certain works rather than another.
Do you make such a sheet? So many welded? many complex geometries such as wheelchairs, molds furniture? Can you use a cam for work? will the archive be usable to make changes or similar machines or will it not be touched? will you give work to external studies or do everything internally? Do loyal customers use one of these software? If you would be worth following them on the same road?
just to say some things to evaluate and that they can direct to one or another

 

[Per5]

2d and 3d are different worlds.
as you said you can hold the autocad license only x the old drawings and from a certain moment on to pass to the 3d, whether sw or inventor.

the advantage is that you have the tables linked to the 3d model, to the vary of one also varies the other.
then it is up to you to choose whether after doing the 3d you need to put on the table or not.

depends also on the work, if you use cnc with the cam it amounts 3d geometry and work that.
the table according to me serves, to indicate tolerances, materials etc.

for us it is essential to have the design in 2d, consider that we have direct contact with the workshop and making several carpentry constituted mostly by folded sheet and tubular frames the putting into the table is essential, perhaps a view in 3d of the assembly would be very convenient to make to understand the worker that shape will have the finished.

I inventor never really used it, I gave a peek a few years ago to model and nothing else. So what I told you is what I read in the threads that I recommend you search in the forum.
If you start from scratch I don't think that learning one or the other makes a difference because you don't have mental patterns and pre-accession modeling because you go looking for the certain passage that was so convenient with the software you used before.

Instead it is important to establish the product that you do because each software has characteristics that facilitate certain works rather than another.
Do you make such a sheet? So many welded? many complex geometries such as wheelchairs, molds furniture? Can you use a cam for work? will the archive be usable to make changes or similar machines or will it not be touched? will you give work to external studies or do everything internally? Do loyal customers use one of these software? If you would be worth following them on the same road?
just to say some things to evaluate and that they can direct to one or another

we make several structures in folded sheet and tubular welded and sometimes several mechanics, a little of everything.
could also be very useful for the construction of hoppers or slides to download pieces with inclination and difficult forms to develop in 2d.
In short, the work is very varied, even if the top of the company is the conveyor belt with metal shutter, but we also get rid of complex transport systems with centering of the piece and scassetting.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

for us it is essential to have the design in 2d, consider that we have direct contact with the workshop and making several carpentry constituted mostly by folded sheet and tubular frames the putting into the table is essential, perhaps a view in 3d of the assembly would be very convenient to make to understand the worker that shape will have the finished.

both 3d make the table.
for solidworks I can tell you that you can make a separate cut with specifications, material, weight and other; you can extract every single welded body (both in the same table and make a self-design by exporting the body that remains however tied to the welded father); you can export to dwg and dxf; you can obviously do the pdf.
the part of profiles and tubular in solidworks is quite performing as simply drawing the path or axis that you want you can draw from unified libraries (integrable with custom profiles) that create the structure. you can also mix multiple different profiles (hea with square tubes and angles for example) and automatically get the riphiles and inks and auto compilation of the cut-off. just to give you an example read this thread http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/44434-librerie-toollbox-profili/page2.
I clarify that I am not bringing water to the mill of solidworks, but only by saying what can be done with the software I know.
someone else will give you equals on inventor

 

[stefanobruno]

both 3d make the table.
for solidworks I can tell you that you can make a separate cut with specifications, material, weight and other; you can extract every single welded body (both in the same table and make a self-design by exporting the body that remains however tied to the welded father); you can export to dwg and dxf; you can obviously do the pdf.
the part of profiles and tubular in solidworks is quite performing as simply drawing the path or axis that you want you can draw from unified libraries (integrable with custom profiles) that create the structure. you can also mix multiple different profiles (hea with square tubes and angles for example) and automatically get the riphiles and inks and auto compilation of the cut-off. just to give you an example read this thread http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/threads/44434-librerie-toollbox-profili/page2.
I clarify that I am not bringing water to the mill of solidworks, but only by saying what can be done with the software I know.
someone else will give you equals on inventor

all idem for inventor.
I do not like the "frame" environment (which corresponds to : "drawing simply the path or axis that you want you can draw from unified libraries ") but I see it to be used proficiently by studies I work with.
I would say that it is not essential, so much, just at a time you will redesign everything, otherwise the 3d would be lame.
I am working now with a company that for years uses inventor and autocad, since the beginning of the year han decided that everything must be done in 3d, so they take back the old autocad designs (or pdf of the commercials ) and model everything, is an investment for the future.
already I, on my behalf I have always done so, I have always remodeled everything as the necessity arises to develop a new project, I never regret having done it.

If you start from scratch I don't think that learning one or the other makes a difference because you don't have mental patterns and pre-accession modeling because you go looking for the certain passage that was so convenient with the software you used before.

mental schemes are those of autocad but with a 3d is another thing, the self-taught approach is striking. (Now there is a lot of stuff to learn on the internet )

I don't know the sw table, that of inventor is simply magical, clear that to take full advantage of it you have to know it well.

 

[Per5]

Thank you for your disappointment.
both programs are therefore valid, we actually already own an inventor 2009 , a little old, never used for issues of time and still was present only on a machine that I do not use.
In the last six years, as electronics have changed in an exponential way, software will not have been stopped.
with mechanical I always had the impression that updates were tricks, as they were minimal things of interface, with the 3d being constantly evolving probably things are different.
the development of the sheet in our case could be very important, considering that the greater part of our structures consists of folded sheet.
I don't know if you can, but talking about money, how much a new 3d station, whether it's solidworks or inventor.
which hardware configuration is good enough to use programs without exaggerating?

 

[maxopus]

always the usual soup, each by good the software it uses.
to say that inventor is a compulsory choice for those coming from autocad is quite approximate, to be kind.
with all parametric cads open dwg and dxf files.
with all parametric cads it is possible to export to dwg and dxf.
the problem if anything is: given a certain investment for the passage to a parametric mechanical cad, and the order of magnitude is similar that it is of solidworks, inventor, creo or solidedge, what will be the yield of the investment?
What will be the most stable program, the lighter one, what will allow me a long life to the hardware without having to change it every 2 years because of the increasing heaviness of the applications? of course the answer is there.

 

[stefanobruno]

... that updates were tricks, as they were minimal interface things, with the 3d being constantly evolving probably things are different. . .

between one rel. and the other, even in the 3d, changes little, now there is little to invent.
being always updated is fundamentally linked to dialogue with the outside, which I do not seem to exist in your case.
I know companies of great level that are using releases of 7 years ago, use rel. 2009 ( 8 official stations ), by choice and because they feel enough (I disagree with them because the improvements from 2009 to 2014, that is what I currently use, there have been and also several )

I don't know if you can, but talking about money, how much a new 3d station, whether it's solidworks or inventor.
which hardware configuration is good enough to use programs without exaggerating?

autodesk offers annual licenses (it is the new course that are pushing ) to 2000 / 2100 euri/year for only inventor without autocad and to 2600 / 2700 euri/year for the full suite ( premium ).
the perpetual licenses, which therefore do not necessarily require the annual balzello, range from 7000 to 10000 euri, this is a value given to nose, I have the subscription and my licenses bought them when there were still the liras.

with 1500 euri for a desktop or 2000 euri for a notebook do things egregie (I am using a portable hp workstation of 4 years ago, I do very heavy things and, I would say, I am still very satisfied )

 

[Per5]

always the usual soup, each by good the software it uses.
to say that inventor is a compulsory choice for those coming from autocad is quite approximate, to be kind.
with all parametric cads open dwg and dxf files.
with all parametric cads it is possible to export to dwg and dxf.
the problem if anything is: given a certain investment for the passage to a parametric mechanical cad, and the order of magnitude is similar that it is of solidworks, inventor, creo or solidedge, what will be the yield of the investment?
What will be the most stable program, the lighter one, what will allow me a long life to the hardware without having to change it every 2 years because of the increasing heaviness of the applications? of course the answer is there.

Hello Maxopus, what is the answer?

quinndi for having a station with perpetual license we talk about 10000 euros to post inclusive of dekstop.

However, on Monday I called the autodesk trade to explain the product, they always say that it draws on its own, that their technicians help us in the production during the course, blah blah blah, the frills felt in these years have been stratospheric.
then we have to talk to the solidwork commercial also there will be various manfrine without meaning and above all words of those who have to simply sell a product and would tell of everything to get their purpose, so in the end will always be to us deciding hoping to have gotten the choice.
the main has heard about solidwork well from some companies of our parts, they say it is very simple to use and then "draws alone".

 

[maxopus]

But you don't have to spend 10,000.
you can buy a great software and a great workstation with less than 8,000 euros.
the answer you need to look for it, it is not with two answers on the forum that you will make the right idea. Many say they are disinterested but are tied to double thread with retailers.

 

[stefanobruno]

But you don't have to spend 10,000.
you can buy a great software and a great workstation with less than 8,000 euros.
the answer you need to look for it, it is not with two answers on the forum that you will make the right idea. Many say they are disinterested but are tied to double thread with retailers.

I don't know what data you say.
per5 speaks of solidworks and inventor, he cited nothing else, that there is and will definitely go well, better than these two.

Here is the list of prices of autodesk products: http://store.autodesk.it/store/adsk/it_it/html/pbpage.all-product-listing_it_itYou will see that inventor goes from 7500 to 11000, look at what I said by trusting me with a nose-made estimate and without being a particular fan of the company that, indeed, I do not lose chance to criticize.

 

[cacciatorino]

But you don't have to spend 10,000.
you can buy a great software and a great workstation with less than 8,000 euros.
the answer you need to look for it, it is not with two answers on the forum that you will make the right idea. Many say they are disinterested but are tied to double thread with retailers.

I don't know what data you say.
per5 speaks of solidworks and inventor, he cited nothing else, that there is and will definitely go well, better than these two.

Here is the list of prices of autodesk products: http://store.autodesk.it/store/adsk/it_it/html/pbpage.all-product-listing_it_itYou will see that inventor goes from 7500 to 11000, look at what I said by trusting me with a nose-made estimate and without being a particular fan of the company that, indeed, I do not lose chance to criticize.

the lists are made to give the seller the possibility to drop by 30%, if the conditions of the negotiation require it.

returning to the topic, for my experience the recovery of a historical fact of dwg should not constitute a reason of preference for a cad3d rather than for another, as all read sufficiently well the 2d files of autocad.

 

[stefanobruno]

... the lists are made specifically to give the seller the chance to drop by 30%...

If you bring yourself behind an induced, who pays her with a poor 5% discount, maybe they even do you more.
I am among those that if you check out 5% you must be happy, think that contractual weight I have, while having 3 licenses.

 

[maxopus]

I don't know what data you say.
per5 speaks of solidworks and inventor, he cited nothing else, that there is and will definitely go well, better than these two.

Here is the list of prices of autodesk products: http://store.autodesk.it/store/adsk/it_it/html/pbpage.all-product-listing_it_itYou will see that inventor goes from 7500 to 11000, look at what I said by trusting me with a nose-made estimate and without being a particular fan of the company that, indeed, I do not lose chance to criticize.

with data from who buys software and hardware for a long time. if a license of the software I use costs less than 7,000 euros a price list and to new customers a discount of 40% made 2 accounts and you will get the total.
if someone spends more money for swx or inventor for free choice, happy him.