passage to 3d

[stefanobruno]

with data from who buys software and hardware for a long time. if a license of the software I use costs less than 7,000 euros a price list and to new customers a discount of 40% made 2 accounts and you will get the total.
if someone spends more money for swx or inventor for free choice, happy him.

Please don't take it as a controversy, but I'm really amazed at what you're writing. You mean they've always taken me for my nose?
I repeat that I pay only more subscriptions, so I don't deal with the new program, discounts so they never offered me, except one, who wanted at all costs to subtract me to my usual supplier.
I found such a low behavior that I didn't consider it, between the other a few months later it wasn't already on the market.

 

[maxopus]

Please don't take it as a controversy, but I'm really amazed at what you're writing. You mean they've always taken me for my nose?
I repeat that I pay only more subscriptions, so I don't deal with the new program, discounts so they never offered me, except one, who wanted at all costs to subtract me to my usual supplier.
I found such a low behavior that I didn't consider it, between the other a few months later it wasn't already on the market.

Stefano, I have no idea how they treated you and I don't think you're talking. I know how the market falls, the average var profile (resellers ) is very low. He doesn't give a damn about who they have as dealers. I can bring you a couple of anecdotes. when I started the task I had to choose, like everyone. swx dealer was an experienced engineer who wanted me to dissuade from considering pro/e a valid solution. his textual words: "It's so complicated that when you get back from vacation you'll have to take a course to learn how to use it again." He wandered around so he could tell crap and only the sky knows who enlightened me in choice, because at a distance of 9 years I can say that I create was the only feasible option. the alternatives would have been catia (highly shot prices and part of reverse that I don't like at all) nx that I used recently and refrain from commenting and icem surfing that costs an eye of the head and only reverses.

I don't know the autodesk commercial policies but I know those of my dealer. There are retailers, even ptc, who are genuine adventurers. so eye... that around there is some kind that half is enough.

 

[cacciatorino]

Please don't take it as a controversy, but I'm really amazed at what you're writing. You mean they've always taken me for my nose?
I repeat that I pay only more subscriptions, so I don't deal with the new program, discounts so they never offered me, except one, who wanted at all costs to subtract me to my usual supplier.
I found such a low behavior that I didn't consider it, between the other a few months later it wasn't already on the market.

I bought: solid edge, solidworks and cocreate. in the first case rigid sellers, in the other two people with whom you could talk! ;-)

 

[stefanobruno]

so eye... that around there is some kind that half is enough.

It's exactly the thing that made me choose to stay with who I was, without looking after the great economic convenience that I put on alternatives.
Now I should have gone back with the tail between my legs.

 

[maxopus]

It's exactly the thing that made me choose to stay with who I was, without looking after the great economic convenience that I put on alternatives.
Now I should have gone back with the tail between my legs.

I first chose the most suitable and performing instrument and then I looked for the correct var.
If it had been more suitable for me than pippo cad, I would have chosen that being careful what to go to my house.

 

[stefanobruno]

I first chose the most suitable and performing instrument and then I looked for the correct var.
If it had been more suitable for me than pippo cad, I would have chosen that being careful what to go to my house.

Well, that's for sure.

 

[Per5]

Unfortunately the software vendor mostly learned a lesson that must repeat with all the techniques of the case, perhaps in recent years it has passed to sell cars to these products, to us they have happened of unreliable people who have twisted us only in order to sell, telling us of the lies that only make us smile.
at the end what counts is the price and that the product is good, then if there are lessons packages so you can learn the software in the shortest possible time.

 

[Per5]

in brescia, do you have any good seller to recommend?

 

[re_solidworks]

we have solidworks, inventor and create, although in fact we only use solidworks for various reasons. I have not followed the news of the latest versions of inventor, but I have to make 2 clarifications:

1- in my opinion the inventor table is not better than that of solidworks
2- when I explained the generator chassis during the course I told the instructor that it is simply shameful, he lacks a lot of indispensable functions
3- if it remained as in 2012 the management of the multibody parts in inventor is "leaved in half" and does not allow to make a distinct if not passing through the generation of a set (thing expensive in terms of time)
4-Inventor does not make surfaces and if you have to make a particular hopper the surfaces are a must
5- the management of inventor sheets does not manage the automatic perpendicular cut and I believe that this is a basic function to be able to define a cad suitable to treat sheet metal
6-the management of external references in inventor is bad and unreliable

Now I repeat, these infos are related to the time of the course I did a couple of years ago, ask these questions during the demo and expect to see with your eyes the solution to the problem.

a question for those who claim that the inventor table is better: Why do you say that? what are the points that make the inventor's table superior to that of swx?

 

[stefanobruno]

a question for those who claim that the inventor table is better: Why do you say that? what are the points that make the inventor's table superior to that of swx?

I feel involved, but I said this:

I don't know the sw table, that of inventor is simply magical, clear that to take full advantage of it you have to know it well.

and anyway, from 2012 to 2014 (I have not yet tried to work with 2016 ), the table is still improved.
for the rest, you probably are right, only that the multibody do not use it, the generator frames the slave and of sheet metal I make little, so I am the least indicated to judge.
Now a question about sw surfaces, can you do everything like having an embedded rhino?

 

[Per5]

we have solidworks, inventor and create, although in fact we only use solidworks for various reasons. I have not followed the news of the latest versions of inventor, but I have to make 2 clarifications:

1- in my opinion the inventor table is not better than that of solidworks
2- when I explained the generator chassis during the course I told the instructor that it is simply shameful, he lacks a lot of indispensable functions
3- if it remained as in 2012 the management of the multibody parts in inventor is "leaved in half" and does not allow to make a distinct if not passing through the generation of a set (thing expensive in terms of time)
4-Inventor does not make surfaces and if you have to make a particular hopper the surfaces are a must
5- the management of inventor sheets does not manage the automatic perpendicular cut and I believe that this is a basic function to be able to define a cad suitable to treat sheet metal
6-the management of external references in inventor is bad and unreliable

Now I repeat, these infos are related to the time of the course I did a couple of years ago, ask these questions during the demo and expect to see with your eyes the solution to the problem.

a question for those who claim that the inventor table is better: Why do you say that? what are the points that make the inventor's table superior to that of swx?

we make several structures starting from the folded sheet, then there are simple frames of support. Sometimes there are more complicated machines, mechanically interesting, so I would need a software that best manages the sheet and the mechanics, especially that it is of help in understanding also those hoppers or slides that have the most skewed forms because of the unloading position and loading machinery in absurd position, sometimes understanding the cuts of these becomes a huge loss.
for the questions you propose to me, you know how the sellers do they say yes, then the problem we have, of course a demo would be interesting, but still we have a 2009 inventor practically unused, you should study it to understand if it is okay for us, but as time for us is fundamental because of the lucky amount of work, we would like to start with the right foot.

 

[The_Matrix]

Hello Maxopus, what is the answer?

quinndi for having a station with perpetual license we talk about 10000 euros to post inclusive of dekstop.

However, on Monday I called the autodesk trade to explain the product, they always say that it draws on its own, that their technicians help us in the production during the course, blah blah blah, the frills felt in these years have been stratospheric.
then we have to talk to the solidwork commercial also there will be various manfrine without meaning and above all words of those who have to simply sell a product and would tell of everything to get their purpose, so in the end will always be to us deciding hoping to have gotten the choice.the main has heard about solidwork from some companies of our parts, say it is very simple to use and then " draws alone".

but then your choice is already made... What do you care?
Get solidworks on the fly!
if you work well.
If you don't like it, your boss chose it anyway so it'll be fine.
:wink:

 

[Per5]

but then your choice is already made... What do you care?
Get solidworks on the fly!
if you work well.
If you don't like it, your boss chose it anyway so it'll be fine.
:wink:

hi matrix, the boss was totally up to what we wanted, he had heard about soloworks and so he was more directed towards that, but in the end the final decision was that of the technical office.
However we opted for this, it costs more, it has fewer packages , but we also listened to the opinion of an ing our collaborator who advised us this at the expense of inventor.
the course is totally funded.

I have almost the anguish to the thinker not to have more mechanical, also because on the new machine it is not possible to install it because of the too obsolete version of autocad 2009.

What do you recommend?

 

[TECNOMODEL]

You should do the jumps of joy to the thought not to use the 2d anymore.

you will have a period of adaptation, when you realize what world it is and what possibilities it offers you will not want to go back.
the important thing is to learn to know the software thoroughly, regardless of which it is.
I have seen too many designers who only knew how to do extrusions and revolutions and a little more.

Good job

 

[stefanobruno]

You should do the jumps of joy to the thought not to use the 2d anymore.

In fact, using inventor I still have to dispose autocad, but I look good from using it, I do not regret it for nothing.
Hold on a few months and then ask why you didn't do it before.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

I came to a company where they worked in 2d and then passed the finished project in 3d.

with the excuse that I didn't know to use autocad I could work directly from the 3d, even the property when he saw certain results he squashed his eyes and wondered "why didn't we do it so before? "

 

[marcof]

I came to a company where they worked in 2d and then passed the finished project in 3d.
with the excuse that non sapevo uses autocad I could work directly from 3d

It was a dirty trick to cheat them and not risk having to turn off autocad. confess! :smile:

 

[TECNOMODEL]

No, no.
I came from solidworks so no tricks.
However when I saw the method of work I was well looked at by trying to learn autocad:wink:

 

[re_solidworks]

I feel involved, but I said this:



and anyway, from 2012 to 2014 (I have not yet tried to work with 2016 ), the table is still improved.
for the rest, you probably are right, only that the multibody do not use it, the generator frames the slave and of sheet metal I make little, so I am the least indicated to judge.
Now a question about sw surfaces, can you do everything like having an embedded rhino?

solidworks is a medium-range cad, it's not a cad. However you can do a lot, I made some model for fiberglass molds, injection and rotational with a discreet satisfaction. Apart from that surfaces do not only serve to make style, but are a big help also for the design of sheet metal, however there are surfaces with tangency control, in continuous bending, etc.. if you want to push over and speed up there is totally integrated power surfacing at a non-excessive price. in any case with swx you can do a lot, it is only difficult to start and find the "right master".
One of the problems that have middle-range cads is just this, it is not easy to find hardware trainers on everything, when you get out a little bit from the ordinary you find yourself. in this high-end cad suppliers give you a hand, as I understand that facing daily problems outside ordinary mechanics, have staff prepared also on this. one such as the matrix will never find it in addition to solidedge or swx, so much to make an example....

 

[The_Matrix]

You should do the jumps of joy to the thought not to use the 2d anymore.

ohhhhh. finalmente!
I can't figure out how to do something in 2d.