passage to 3d

[The_Matrix]

one such as the matrix will never find it in addition to solidedge or swx, so much to make an example....

Come on, King.
however you have centered the right point (you have centered :biggrin
to model for surfaces the software centers the right... if you do not know how to deal with certain forms is not the software that helps you. applies to surfaces, as for the rest... but for the surfaces in a particular way.
Then obvious that if you want to make a certain form and the cad that you use that form does not begin to draw names like not even a Bergamo...

 

[PaoloColombani]

to model for surfaces the software centers the right... if you do not know how to deal with certain forms is not the software that helps you. applies to surfaces, as for the rest... but for the surfaces in a particular way.

absolutely agree! In fact, one could insert this statement among the ten commandments of the designer cad.

 

[The_Matrix]

absolutely agree! In fact, one could insert this statement among the ten commandments of the designer cad.

in my cadddist life I used several surface modelers: euclid, strim100, icem, ug (proe that, despite what you think is not bad)... I saw using alias... If you know what to do the product is really a dicui... then you can go to discuss the ability to control the superifices, the analyses, for charity... but in the end the handle is what matters.
( Luckily Paul!)

 

[Per5]

in my cadddist life I used several surface modelers: euclid, strim100, icem, ug (proe that, despite what you think is not bad)... I saw using alias... If you know what to do the product is really a dicui... then you can go to discuss the ability to control the superifices, the analyses, for charity... but in the end the handle is what matters.
( Luckily Paul!)

Of course the cad is a tool, what matters is who uses it and what he can do with that tool.
anyway I just have to start working with it.

 

[maxopus]

... proe that, despite what you think is not bad). . .

is that in reality remains for others an unattainable reference.
and the handle can be as good as you want, if you have a motorcycle wedge instead of a tractor 300 cv with the stabilizer and air conditioning... I think that with the tractor wins

 

[PaoloColombani]

is that in reality remains for others an unattainable reference.
and the handle can be as good as you want, if you have a motorcycle wedge instead of a tractor 300 cv with the stabilizer and air conditioning... I think that with the tractor wins

Well, if you say he's got air conditioning, then as soon as I get some money, I'll get a license.

 

[maxopus]

you just need a personal (non-commercial) license.
So you know him with a lot of money.
I think it remains the best mechanical cad on the market. They sin from a commercial point of view because they should not allow 4 sellers of fool to make their shoes.

 

[The_Matrix]

is that in reality remains for others an unattainable reference.
and the handle can be as good as you want, if you have a motorcycle wedge instead of a tractor 300 cv with the stabilizer and air conditioning... I think that with the tractor wins

First of all I was referring to the subject "superfici". pro/e is not bad, but it is distant from caia and nx in that field.

In general, I ask you a question: how come if it's unreachable as a function, and in the end it costs like a mid-range its market share in 15 years has fallen?
... in 2000 ptc, selling only pro/e, invoiced 1b$
... in 2014 (last data available), invoice 1.36b$
if you consider only inflation, turnover in 15 years is flat.
and in this you must consider the components windchill, cocreate, iot and all the acquisitions they have done.
therefore the turnover falls. . .
I repeat the initial question:
Why did he fall if he is the supercad of the world?
Are you sure this is the supercad in the world?
Is this all about the dealers? (so all ptc dealers are shoemakers while those of competition are very cool? )

I believe that if, really, I create it was so unreachable as you say, it would have a different market share. but they are opinions... so well be having different.. .
my opinion is that it is a good cad, but with different limits in many sectors... both technical and commercial.
happy to be denied, and that from next year I grow again to sell as never before. :smile:
(no... that I have 2 creatures to maintain)

And now... pearl of wisdom... (launched)

 

[maxopus]

My point of view on the figures you provided is different.
first you should also provide the figures of others, in the year 2000 and 2014.
I know four parametric cads, and I don't think I'm going to talk.
Have you seen how people buy?
My boss said he saw swx and it works.
I always used autocad and natural evolution is inventor, so I read native autocad files (rotfl ... they also read illustrator and photoshop).
or do you want to tell me that inventor and solidworks are better products than creo parametric?
you judge an increase of 36% a flop, I say that in a market like this, where others have by force of things conquered market shares ... before they did not exist, it is already remarkable to have increased their turnover.
I remind you that in the days gone buying a license pro/e cost a sixty-sixth of million ... now a foundation if you are new client you bring it home with less than 5,000 euros, so we talk about a market at low prices.

 

[The_Matrix]

see, max... in 2000 ptc sold only pro/e and invoiced 1b$
now the pdm and iot part has become preponderant. . and invoice 1.3b$
I think the cad doesn't invoice more than 40% of the total... If I have time I look for accurate data... Toh 500m$, to be generous.
If it was the supercad in the world, why would people have to choose anything else?
Are you all dumb?

when I came out of ptc (May 2000) a pro/e license 2001, complete, cost 26 million... 13k.

we for example have been to invoice 500m$ in 2000 to 2.4b$ in fy2014. It was just luck.
then the turnover is not everything, but I think that if a product is really good (and I do not refer to the only market cad, but it is a general speech), it eventually sells.
Obviously something that doesn't like pro people is there, is it? or did everyone just look blessed black borders? :tongue:

 

[maxopus]

Tell me then what's wrong with creating parametric or what others do best. in what they would have won commercially.
You know I did an anald job that your cad wasn't able to do, and yet in the energy sector you should be giants.
last year I did a reverse job on a turbogas injector (a complex but simple stuff in modeling).
I did the work to genova in 10 days (with creo) and to remake the work in nx it took 6 weeks.
we talk about pieces without surfaces, pure solid modeling.
Do you remember the radio series that didn't work?
with the 10 we are always there, make the set of a hole asola and the instances of repetition become rectangular holes.
we don't talk about pure reverse (automatic surfaces) ... there is no bit.
you think you have won but if there was not the famous agreement gm > fiat I do not think you would have had this great success.
when they see what I do with creo they don't believe, and it's not my merit. you with this multibody menata compel users to 3000 clicks to tell each time to the program what you intend to do and let it pass by flexibility.
you still have the table at the foot of Christ, there is no bidirectionality of changes (from table to model).
your models weigh a bang, and when I do something complex to genova blasphemy in French.
I knew with the jts, the lightened models that you then have to "reappear" to be able to work with us.
So at the hi range level (because on the midrange I don't even waste time discussing it) you have nothing more. You could have told me before, when I didn't know him, but now the games are uncovered.
If I had to start an industrial business... I would get you into the office for a coffee or I would offer you a lunch because you are friends, but for the rest I wouldn't choose your solution, even if it was given.

 

[The_Matrix]

What does it do better than I create?
I could make you a long list that goes from cae to mechatronica from the management of requirements to physical tests, from cam to cmm, but I don't think it would leave.
You're very convinced of what you do and it's great. Really. There is nothing more powerful than beliefs. . .
But, okay... let's go back to the surfaces: daimler, mazda, nissan, gm, aston martin use nx to make exteriors... Can you quote some automotive companies that use creo?

:biggrin: on the series... You put me a video of these famous series with rectangular holes so I see what nx10 wouldn't do? I'm curious.

on bidirectionality 2d > 3d, place that makes me laugh... I've never seen 1 user I create that makes a serious change from the table... I'll show you how to do it? :tongue:

(on aen: you're telling me that if Maxopus didn't go to production a turbine? Really? )

 

[maxopus]

Everything except cad ... cae, requirements, physical tests.
chatter that is needed to divert from the background.
for the series ask friends of lecco, they remember well.
You have to go around the globe to figure out how to digest it.
Are the orthogonal projections still free to go around for the sheet or an orthogonal projection always an orthogonal projection? Do you know I have to tell him that he has to be there?
Now are the changes bidirectional? Since you know what ptc's like, they introduced them from 88...

 

[maxopus]

the companies you are talking about (automotive) ... which share of the market represents? Why do you think that toyota doesn't convince her?
How come Ferraris despite fiat doesn't want to know?
on the historian it is clear that there was catia for the carriages and ptc has been refined after.
I make a body shop without problems with I create ... as was made the r8 of auditions ... and I don't think they were masochists.
I remember that when the piaggio became open, your application did not end well.

 

[The_Matrix]

the views with the orthogonal prunings, move along with the father, if you told him that they should do it
make a video with create this famous series, so let's see... I'm really curious.
the changes are bidirectional... What can I do? no one uses them, like I create, but they are

Do we play?
You don't want to tell me that I create still has absolute and relative precision and that if you move from one to another you have to regenerate the model?
... don't want to tell me that you can't split a solid model into modules like all the other cads do so you don't have to regenerate 1000 features if you change the #3?

But it always remains a fact... ptc 1.3b$ and ugs 2.4b$... I'm telling you, if thousands of flies eat mer.da doesn't mean it's good, but I think it's only for that... on the technique the market trend will want to say something not?
if by catia is worth the "historical"... why is it not worth? in 2000 ugs was less than half of ptc... How come?

 

[maxopus]

However don't worry beppe, the world is in your hands.
the conviction skills of your managers go well beyond the quality of the product you sell.

 

[The_Matrix]

the companies you are talking about (automotive) ... which share of the market represents? Why do you think that toyota doesn't convince her?
How come Ferraris despite fiat doesn't want to know?
on the historian it is clear that there was catia for the carriages and ptc has been refined after.
I make a body shop without problems with I create ... as was made the r8 of auditions ... and I don't think they were masochists.
I remember that when the piaggio became open, your application did not end well.

we do not aspire to 100% of the market... 50% is enough. :smile:
you do a fake body shop with creo... Don't do a body shop... If I create it he could be able to make carriages because no automotive oem has happened? too expensive? or why do you do something that "absorbs" to a body shop? I believe in the second hypothesis.
Unfortunately, the opening boys resisted a little with noug, but when they said "now this is your cad and don't break"... you know, everyone keeps family.

Ferrari always does the opposite of fiat... But we'll see in a couple of years.
ps. there is a company in Veneto that makes motors for aquariums and has proe... Now they want to launch on electric cars... They called us. It'll be a case. :finger:

 

[maxopus]

Of course it has relative and absolute precision, that's why my regeneration times are lower and that's why my models weigh less, because with precision you manage the mobile comma...
I don't want to do this. I really feel like it's a joke.
peace and well... in a while we will talk about something else, I will keep you updated.

 

[maxopus]

It wasn't a turbine, they make friends of friends.
I can't do it because I don't have the right friends.
was a transition element with 3700 inclined holes of 45 degrees compared to the normal of a particular complex surface. in practice each hole had a different degree of inclination. Of course they would have done it... 1 hole at a time.

 

[maxopus]

from aquariums to electric cars ... will be a success.
Come on.