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[numero1]

Thanks for the name of the secretary, even if I don't even know if it's an eponymous or not.
However regarding omonimies also the mouth could be:smile:
in fact to 18 years (this was the age of mouth at the publication of the poster) you are not very famous, although you are a promising ski champion.
In short, this story has left me and leaves very perplexed, that there was a joy between the signatories ok, that it was just the same umm......
Although on wiki there is written that they are not sure at all, just read this fuzzy discussion here:http://wikipedia.sapere.alice.it/wikipedia/wiki/discussion:giorgio_boccayears ago I had done some research on the net, and you know I'm good and constant, and I found that presumably he was an uncle or cousin (I don't remember) who was the same name.
In fact, his mouth was called a giorgio just in homage to this relative (fascist disease) of which he later became terribly ashamed.
stupidly, I didn't save those research from the time, if I happen to find her place.
mouth therefore was fascist as the vast majority of his compatriots of the time, writing also very "intonated" articles say so, and then.........
my opinion is that for him on September 8 it represented a huge trauma, and after it became partisan by founding one of the first formations of gl.
even if I think that the first doubts came out in 1940 with the entry into Italian war.
then, once the war ended it became one of the best and + assidui storiographs of resistance.
for me in short, he completely redeemed himself; If he ever had something to atone for.
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[numero1]

about flourishes are + or less agree with how much you write about him until the great advice, but after......
In fact flourish was so little considered by the Germans to be hosted by them?
were 4 the fascist exiles that the Nazis had at their disposal, in addition to flourishes and precisely:
victorious mussolini, alessandro pavolini, renato ricci and precious young people.
These monk-hosted were immediately used on the evening of 9 on the radio (Radio monaco) to launch their delirious program towards Italy.
in the evening of the 14th in a room of the bunker of rastenburg between the duce and the exiles there was the first decisive meeting where pavolini and flourish were absolutely + decisive and convinced for the cause of fascism.

"in the same night between 8 and 9 September 1943, some authoritative fascist hierarchies refugees from Italy Badogliana - alessandro pavolini, renato ricci, roberto farinacci, precious youth - announce from monk radio the foundation of new ministry, destined to remedy the coup of victory emanuele iii. "We will proclaim a fascist republic": is the insurance that flourishes, summoned to the hearing by hitler, remembers in his diary of having given, in those hours, to the German dictator. which agrees with the project: and, of course, in the absence of its membership, sharing, suggestion, it could not even be conceived"
source: http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubb...9/23/fu-ultimo-tentativo-del-fascismo-di.htmlthe publication of the "his" newspaper, "the fascist regime".
certain flourishes did not get what he hoped, but it was and remained until the end, a faithful guardian of the regime, to which he allowed to reborn.
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[numero1]

in the meantime I found the following:
jole foa, daughter of sansone foa and dina tenseura. She was born in Italy, in vercelli, on November 16 1890
arrested in the province of como.
deported into the extermination camp of auschwitz.
He didn't survive the shoah.

But I don't know if it's the secretariat of flour or a homonimia.

should be the same, even if there is a discrepancy in the mother's name:
"in the order: Jole foa was the daughter of Tobiased Samson Pha and Eleonora Germans; He was born in vercelli on 16 November 1890, and emigrated from vercelli to Milan; the important detail that concerns her was her occupation as secretary of flourishes and from these protected until 1942-43, when she was arrested and deported. "
source: http://www.storia900bivc.it/pagine/editoria/notemerlo203.htmlthe date of birth of the poor jole is the same in fact, as well as the name of the father.
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[Exatem]

about flourishes are + or less agree with how much you write about him until the great advice, but after......
in fact flourish was so little considered by the Germans to be hosted by them?...

There are two versions, that of flour and that of the German colonel eugen dollmann. When on 25 July the duce is arrested, flourishes asks the German to give him 30 ss with which to stop the king and look after and free Mussolini.
According to the Dollmann version, no one supported the idea of flourishes and it was the German himself who dressed it in ss uniform and sent it to monk. He's here, who hitelr would have ignored him while thinking about him as head of a puppet government.
thanks for your details.

 

[numero1]

Please, about dollmann, I remember an old interview with the rai... who knows if he was talking about flourishes...? ?
we will see and continue like this.

 

[Oldwarper]

absolutely. . .
You want to listen to Jacob on TV...
the thing for example that most struck me, is a statue of kafra (or kefren), the builder of one of the pyramids of giza, in black diorite, which is exposed to the museum of the cairo and was found buried under the floor of the temple of the sphinx.
It's so smooth, smooth, it looks like porcelain.
the question is: if the diorite was the most "hard" material they knew at the time, so much to be used to sculpt the granite... What did they do with?

sometimes the estermas are closer than it might seem...:wink:
Bye.

patience, dear exatem, so much patience.
the diamond is worked with diamond powder. The Egyptians also had another harder material, the dolerite. The same water, though, is capable of affecting the hardest materials, with so much patience.
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lo...essun-mistero-e-niente-alieni-/d10322564.htmlall ancient works do not have the pressing times and the "productive" needs of today, they did not have the office "tempi and methods" with incompetent always ready to say "no, no, no... you have to put half". "but half of what...??" "I don't know, half' and just!!!!!"

If it took a year or ten years to do something, it didn't matter. It had to be done. and with the technologies you have. We make a skyscraper in a year, and for us it is inconceivable to make a pyramid in tens of years.

And then, labor. a lot, a lot, a hundred, two hundred people move a block, in days, when we are used to seeing it move in a few hours from 2 people (group and truck driver). we have lost the sense of proportions and parameterize everything with our technology.

some scholars have shown practically as a person, alone, he is able to put down all stonehenge rocks thanks to small tricks, some lever and so much, so much patience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok1rzch89dw&feature=player_embeddedthey have had millennia to find the right way, we are given at most one day or two to find the revolutionary idea...:mixed:

 

[Fulvio Romano]

The "tamps and methods" office with incompetent always ready to say "no, no, no... you have to put half of it." "but half of what...??" "I don't know, half' and just!!!!!"

mmmhh... These words don't sound new to me.
I see that every world is a country... :tongue:

 

[Tequila]

If it took a year or ten years to do something, it didn't matter. It had to be done. and with the technologies you have. We make a skyscraper in a year, and for us it is inconceivable to make a pyramid in tens of years.

like calabria salter-reggio, 50 years old and is unfinished.

to me it came to laugh when I saw time ago on d-max the mega construction program (or extreme engineering or mega engineering) where they showed the construction of the new hong kong airport a few years ago where they first built an island that housed the airport putting together 2 small ones, then made 30 km road to get to the center of the city with the construction of a megaponte all in 7 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwchj9svtecps: the video in Italian I did not find it

 

[Exatem]

eiar – (the day of shame). the radio, which for a long time in Italy was a kind of luxury, a kind of status symbol of the high urban bourgeoisie, given the high costs and the difficult process of electrification of the undeveloped areas, has quickly spread thanks to fascism that sees in it a means of high pedagogical and propagandistic potential.
thanks to the radio, the image of mussolini is sculpted in childhood minds such as that of the good father, of the reclamator of the Roman agro, of the benefactor, of the heroic defender of the patrio soil, enhanced by the emphatic tone and the rhetorical phrases of the announcers of the epoch.

at 19,42 on September 8, 1943, while the Italians listen to the "cinguettii" of the Cetra quartet and are moved with "mamma" of Polish savior, radio eiar interrupts the programming to spread in the ether the voice of the marshal of Italian pietro badoglio which, must make an announcement to the nation.
This is the proclamation of armistice with the allies.
already proclaims read by eisenhower and broadcast at 18.30 by Algerian radio.
the delay allows the Germans to disarm and capture many Italian soldiers who in many cases will be deported to germany without even knowing about the armistice.
everything began on July 25 when mussolini turns to the great advice that just discarded him approving the motion of big dino, saying: " gentlemen, with this agenda you opened the crisis of the regime." In fact, as declared by one of the most authoritative exponents of the regime, he was born bottai (former minister of corporations and national education, founder and director of the “fascism crime”), everything had begun with the landing allied in Sicily (the husky operation). that military operation revealed the total inadequacy of the regime in the face of the situation. as it had already happened in the 17th century, the authorities had given themselves to the latitude to begin with the recurring care. but it is all the system to be in crisis. no one believes more to the myth of “mussolini who is always right”. war is irreparably lost and hope is to be able to abandon the Germans to their destiny. but in order to get rid of the dangerous ally it is necessary first to liquidate the duce. of this is convinced the king who, conscious of the heavy responsibilities for permitting twenty years of dictatorship, now seeks the way to save the face of the “real house”.
on 5 February 1943, with the spread of the belief that the war is now lost, mussolini operates a series of radical changes between the offices of the state removing those who believe hostile to the continuation of the conflict alongside the German ally. at 16.30 he even summons the foreign minister Ciano (his son-in-law) and liquidates him on two feet appointing him as ambassador to the holy seat. purging continues in the following months and also concerns those who were considered closer to the king than to fascism. This probably convinces Emanuele to design a plan that allows the destitution of the duce. one of the most significant replacements is that of the chief of state, the general Ugo cavalry that is detected by the general victorious ambrosio, a sincere monarchy and a convinced anti-German. it will prove to the early of March when in goering, visiting roma to ask for the sending of 50,000 Italian soldiers in germany, will oppose its refusal. Ambrosius believed that it was necessary to recall at home all the soldiers who were located abroad, to escape from the Germans and, to seek separate peace. the king should have replaced mussolini if he had refused. It was necessary to bring the country out of the war at all costs. Ambrosio tried to convince mussolini to speak with hitler during the Salsbourg meeting on 7-10 April but when the duce found himself in front of the Nazi leader, he could not open his mouth. the failure of Salzburg persuaded the king to rush the coup.
for this purpose it was approached great dino, one of the most intelligent hierarchies that had not feared to propose itself as antagonist of mussolini in the fascist national party. the count dino grandi, belonged to the Emilia-Roman agrarian bourgeoisie and, contrary to mussolini, was an anti-socialist decision. but in the red two-year period of 1919-20, he adhered to "fighting phases" claiming the Emilia-Roman paternity of fascism. He will become Secretary, Minister, Ambassador, until he is considered the natural successor of the duce.
must therefore be considered the traitor of mussolini?

contacted by the count of aquarone, minister of the real house and, from the same Marshal Badoglio, in the big talks agree that the era of original fascism, that of the pure idea of the fighting bundles was now over and the regime had become simple system of management of power. on the basis of these convictions he managed to involve other very important hierarchies such as Giuseppe bottai and even the son-in-law of the duce Ciano and was with them that gave rise to the agenda to be presented to the great council of fascism on July 25, 1943.
It is already since 1942 that great is certain that Italy cannot win the war and a year later, with the country on its knees and mossolini increasingly vulnerable to reality, sees in the king the only point of reference certain, drawing the conclusion that the only way to save fascism is to de establish the duce.
the landing in Sicily makes the situation fall. the crisis at the summit is manifest and the hierarchies want to speak with mussolini that, now resigned, agrees to call the great council even if, because of another planned encounter with hitler to felt on the military situation in Sicily, no date is fixed.
during this meeting the head of Nazism left to the usual monologue in which he declared that according to him nothing is lost as long as the Italians had let themselves be led, indeed commanded, by the Germans.
not even on this occasion mussolini managed to speak and the interview ended with nothing fact.
In the meantime, the meeting of the great council was prepared with which it was intended to remove the responsibility of the conduct of the war by destituting it. in the morning of 22 the king received the duce trying to convince him to step aside but he pretended not to understand. the great council is gathered at 17 on Saturday 24 July continuing until the dawn of the following day. when he takes the big word, everyone, including mussolini, know the content of the agenda. This is a document in which the duce is invited to ask the king to assume the command of the armed forces given the inevitability of defeat and the responsibilities of the head of fascism.
on 26 July mussolini asked audience at victorious emanuele ii who agreed to see him at 17 at villa savoia. When the king found himself in front of Mussolini, he communicated his decision to destitute him and arrested him appointing head of the government (although he had been “promitted” as head of the government the general ankle, preferred to look after him). this event betrays its expectation of a political passage of power as well as putting it in a double uncomfortable position: traitor to the eyes of the Germans, promoter of any plots according to care. He left Italy first in Spain and then in Portugal (where he remained until the 60s) while his family remained in Italy, risked to be deported by the Germans. Then in 1944 the process of Verona was carried out against the traitors of fascism and among others, the "fascistissimo" galleazzo ciano, husband of edda mussolini, the daughter of the duce. despite great and cyan relations were never interrupted, great relations honored his death according to him, with the dignity of the fascist myth of "beautiful death".
great dino therefore passed to history as the anti mussolini par excellence coming out winning from the vote of the 25 while in reality, there was nothing to win.
Fascism was already dead.
the appointment of a guard at the head of the government and the fall of mussolini had aroused the enthusiasm of the people, illusive that the war was finally over. the Italians poured into the streets to manifest their happiness. It seemed that everyone had unlimited trust in the king. Instead, these events did not mean the end of the war, which indeed, continued "at the side of the German ally". a dangerous double game while in reality looking for the right diplomatic channels to reach a separate peace.
but what happened in the meantime in germany? on 25 July 1943 the usual meeting of the headquarters at wolfschanze (the wolf's den). the meeting began with the analysis of the situation in Sicily, until 5 o'clock in the afternoon did not mention the Italian situation, then the fuhrer asked news about the meeting of the great council. He was told that it seemed that the duce had been induced to leave the office and that his place had been taken by a certain orlando. at this point hitler if he took it with flourish convinced that he was the author of the conspiracy against the duce: “The good flour can be considered lucky to have done something like mussolini and not me. If he had done it to me, I would have delivered it to himmler ss. it is so that you have to do”.
the next day the meeting was resumed. the news of the fall of mussolini had upset him and now he wanted revenge. so it was ordered to proceed with the operation “alaric”that is the occupation of Italy. “Who took the place of mussolini? ” chiese jodl “badoglio”, rispose hitler “I mean our worst enemy.”(follow...)

 

[Exatem]

(...cont'd)
on August 30, Badoglio received the general Chaplain who had returned three days before from Lisbon with some perspective of peace. the general communicated the allied request of a meeting to be held in the already conquered Sicily. I take care that he believed there were still spaces to bargain and "sell" the yield at good price, although it was actually a plea for the cessation of hostilities, he asked to punish the fact that Italy would accept the armistice only provided that before an allied landing in the peninsula. He also urged the allies to know what their military programmes were, although the war was still in progress.

the talks however saw the relatively distant parts. the proposal of surrender in reality initially was not considered with great euphoria by the Anglo-Americans, as the fates of the war were already irreparably marked towards a forthcoming defeat of the Italian armies. then prevailed the opinion that however the surrender would mean being able to concentrate exclusively against the Germans, even at the cost of limiting the advantages that the Allied forces intended to derive from the military victory. accepting surrender (renouncing to conquer Italy militarily), thus became the most convenient choice, for which many diplomatic energies were to be spent, both from American and other allies.
castellano demanded guarantees to allies certain of the inevitable German reaction against Italy to the news of the signing of the armistice. in particular he insisted on an allied landing north of roma prior to the announcement of the armistice; by allied it was argued that a landing in forces and the action of a parachute division on the capital would be in any case contemporary and not prior to the proclamation of the armistice. in the evening castellano returned to roma to report.
on the next day, he was received by the abbey who in the afternoon went to the victorious king Emanuele iii, who decided to accept the conditions of the armistice. a confirmation telegram in which the imminent sending of the general Chaplain was also announced, was sent to the allies but was intercepted by the German forces in Italy who, already suspected of such a possible solution, wanted guarantees from the caregiver who often spends his word of honor to deny any relationship with the Americans. but in germany they began to organize countermeasures.
returning to the armistice, let's see how the facts were carried out and how the crown and the Italian government covered themselves with shame. once removed from mussolini, the new Italian government began to deal with the surrender with allied commands that now spread in Sicily. on 3 September, at a fall (at the siracuse) pietro badoglio secretly signed the armistice committing to communicate it to the nation within 15 days, just before a planned allied landing on the peninsula. in the afternoon of the same 3 September Badoglio organized a meeting in which they participated in de courten minister of the Navy, sandalli minister of the air force, sorice minister of the war, with the general Ambrosio and the minister of the real house aquarone. during the interview, he did not mention the signing of the armistice, simply mentioning negotiations in progress. he spoke instead of the operations foreseen by the allies; a disembarkation in calabria, one of much more anticipated near napoli and, of the action of a division of paratroopers allied to roma, that would be supported by the Italian divisions in the city because now Italy would facilitate the allies.
but on September 8, 1943 the allies, after warning of the impossibility to defend roma, forced the Italian government to announce the armistice by 18.30 on the same day because the "Avalanche" operation had been planned that provided for the landing of troops to rise. panic spread among the Italian leaders who, while taking time with the Germans, staged a fake break with the Anglo-Americans. but at 18.30 dwight d. eisenhower announced the armistice, followed as said after more than an hour from the previously recorded speech of bad luck that concluded the communiqué with the ambiguous towards: "every act of hostility against the Anglo-American forces must cease by the Italian forces everywhere. but they will react to any attacks from any other origin." the effect of this last sentence was disruptive and caused chaos. the next morning the king, the queen and the prince hereditary, abbey, two ministers of the government and some generals of the state major, fled from Rome heading towards south Italy. the escape stopped toast that it became for a few months the new capital of the kingdom. sadly known is the painful scene of boarding in the port of orthon. considering the size of the small “baionetta” corvetta, not all the components of the numerous following could be boarded. Many of them, while being high officers of the armed forces, tried unnecessarily to embark and once rejected on the ground, caught by panic, dressed in bourgeois clothes and, abandoning luggage and uniforms on the ground in the port, gave themselves to the stain.
in the precipitous escape, no official order was given and our units on all the European territory without directives of any kind, were left to the merchant of the Germans who obviously did not take well the turn of the former Italian allies. in some cases real armed clashes broke out between Italian and German soldiers although the overwhelming military superiority of the Germans and the absence of orders to our soldiers, made any attempt to oppose. the German armies of the wehrmacht and the ss present throughout the Italian peninsula immediately gave way to the operation "achse", occupying all the Italian nerve centers, shaking the Italian army favored by the general disorganization of the Italian military leadership left to themselves. many Italian soldiers gave themselves to the stain throwing their own uniforms, some managed to return home while others joined partisan resistance fighting the Germans. others still agreed to cooperate with the Germans, but the majority underwent the disorganization of the Italian surrender by paying with their own lives or deportation to the German concentration camps. Despite some extraordinary episodes of value at home and on foreign fronts (among the most famous cephalonia and kos), almost all the peninsula fell under German occupation and the army was disarmed, while the entire impalcature of the state fell into disface. only the Italian military corps in southern Italy managed to repel German attacks and contact the Anglo-American forces. to napoli, instead, was the population in revolt to expel the Nazis.
if the army had been abandoned, the navy had not been given better treatment. was the minister of the Navy de courten to communicate, on the evening of 8 September, the armistice. the order was to sail with all the ships, to go to mortar and to surrender to the English. but among the crews there was a risk of the revolt between those who proposed a last desperate fight and those who wanted to take over.
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[Exatem]

(...cont'd)
to the spice was the admiral of Bergamo who was informed by de courten of the imminence of the armistice then, was Admiral Sansonetti trying to convince him to execute the order that was eventually accepted with reluctance. Bergamini was left in the dark of some clauses of the armistice such as, for example, the one that planned to raise a black brush (or dark blue) and to lay on the deck of the big black records for recognition at a distance so, the battleship “roma” left the port of spice raising the great peacock and going to meet its tragic destiny.
you will have to wait in the morning of 10 before supermarine remember to communicate the order to expose the signs of recognition.
taranto instead the group of cruisers of the contr Admiral Galati refused to surrender to the British manifesting the intention to head north to look for the last clash or to self-wind. the British admiral, after trying unnecessarily to convince him, made him arrest. but it was not the only case of rejection, the Chilean commander fulgosis, already gold medal, and the imperial commander, with the "impetuous" and "pegaso" torpedoes, after having rescued the naufraghi of the roma transporting them to the whalers, they cared at the entrance of the port. a mutiny of the crew who tried to take over the ship for self-tapping. after a night of negotiations, the Carmelite commander managed to convince the riots and reached malt. However, the Italian navy managed to save the honor as, once delivered to the allies, the ships continued to unwind the tricolor and, used exclusively by Italian crews, joined the allied fleets to fight against the new enemy. was thus avoided a new tragic episode such as the German hull-flow car of 1919 or the French toll fleet of 1942.
However, that it was not an armistice but a real unconditional surrender, it appeared clear a few days later when the Galatian admiral dismissed the sending of two torpedoes, “clius” and “sirio”, from toast to cephalonia, in aid of the aquity division that refused to surrender to the Germans. the Allied command prevented the mission by leaving General Ganin and the division to their tragic fate.

However, things have gone, the fact remains that September 8 is a historical date, which represents for some a sad memory to be erased and for others the beginning of a new Italian. as things were, for our armed forces it represented a tragedy.
in the dissolution of the commands and departments, there were however those who committed acts of real heroism as those who committed themselves to facing the Germans without orders, with the greater state engaged in a shameful escape, without ammunition and means, against a clearly superior enemy.

 

[numero1]

excellent and punctual as always...... :finger:
However, I would like to point out some details, I have to check, however.
Hi.

 

[Exatem]

excellent and punctual as always...... :finger:
However, I would like to point out some details, I have to check, however.
Hi.

Of course! :finger:
Indeed, if you agree, I would call you "official auditor" of the revisionist. :biggrin:

 

[numero1]

Of course! :finger:
If you agree, I'd call you "official auditor" of the auditor. :biggrin:

...... too much grace:redface:
Hi.

 

[Exatem]

the day of judgmentwhile in southern Italy liberated by allies, formally led by the king and his government, he tried to slowly return to normal, in the center and in the north, the Italians had been left to their fate. Meanwhile, freed from the prison on the great rock by the Germans on order of adolf hitler, gave life to the Italian social republic, founded in the province of brescia and internationally recognized only by the forces of the axis.
the r.s.i. was born after the congress of Verona during which the old hierarchies tried to reconstitute what remained of the fascist party. The hierarchies were tried that on July 25 they had sided against mussolini and the program of the republic (the card of verona) was written in which the alliance with germany was reaffirmed. An army was also formed, consisting of a small number of volunteers and numerous recruits. This army, badly organized and worse armed, was never seriously taken into account by the Germanic commands and was used primarily to counter the partisan forces that were forming in the Nazi occupied regions.
adherence to the sieve was for many a difficult choice to which they concured several factors.

First of all, the “geographical position”, who was in the south at the time of the armistice and did not have the family under the Nazi threat, had less difficulty returning home than those who resided and were in the occupied north. some were literally shocked by the shameful escape of the king and his entourage. for others he represented the last bastion in defense of national dignity. others were still illusive for a political project without future.
Thus for more than two years, Italy was divided into two by a border line that progressively moved further north to the Gothic line. when the American army will unleash this last defensive line, the Germans will leave the peninsula and the social republic will be dismantled. all the cities will be left by the Germans in the face of the advance ally and the general insurrection ordered by the c.n.l. in an attempt to escape the collapse of the siege and in the hope of dealing with a surrender, mussolini, after a last council of the ministers during which a last resistance in the reduced valley was hypothesized (where already from a few weeks alessandro pavolini prospettava of constituted an extreme is in the courtyard of the same prefecture that the 22 pronounces his last speech in front of the Republican guard: “If the homeland is lost, it is useless to live” are his last words. the next day the allies enter parme interrupting the communication between Milan and the other Lombard centers while the 24 is liberated genova.

25 April 1945, historical date in the Italian calendar.
the workers occupy the factories of sixth san giovanni and in the afternoon the cardinal of milano combines a meeting between the fascist delegates (including the same mussolini), and those of the cnl including the general cadorna and, sandro pertini that however will succeed to arrive to meeting now concluded. the fascists are proposed the unconditional surrender in exchange for guarantees for them and their families. they reserve to answer by evening but the answer will never come. outside the city is shaken by the general strike and is imminent the order of general insurrection that comes around 20. at this point mussolini leaves Milan and with the German escort set by hitler, he goes towards como. during the journey the van carrying values and documents is broken and must be abandoned (it will be found by the partisans the next day).
it is now 21 and 30 when mussolini arrives at the prefecture of como where to wait for it there are the rachele wife and the Roman sons and anna maria that however does not want to meet limiting itself to writing a farewell letter. It is considered indefensible and Graziani proposes to return to Milan while others push to reach Switzerland. at the dawn of 26 the group leaves como and, trying to shake off the shadowy German presence, goes towards the border while we continue to discuss what to do. Grace and pavolini try to return to Milan but are attacked by the partisans. the rest of the group decides to leave the mating center now become too “hot”. the convoy thus reaches the small fraction of cardano where the barracks of the 53rd company of the border militia and mussolini is reached by claretta petacci and the German escort that informs it that a plane is waiting, ready to transport them in bay. Meanwhile the partisans put their hands on the Buffalo ministers guiding and tarchi who were trying to cross the border as the news arrives that Milan was released. you decide to go back to the canteen where the group joins pavolini with less than ten militias and about 200 German soldiers retreating towards merano. Mussolini and the remaining hierarchies decide to join this column but after about two hours of travel, they are attacked by the garibaldi brigade. a shooting followed by a negotiation between German officers and partisans who consent to the Germans to continue as long as all Italians are delivered to the following. the suspicion is that among them hide the duce and several hierarchies. Mussolini, at the request of the German escort, wears a coat and a German helmet and pretending drunk, climbs on a truck trying to get confused among the soldiers. while these negotiations take place the parish priest of the country is aware of the presence of mussolini and informs the pedro partisan, that is, pier luigi bellini of the stars. the column is inspected and mussolini is recognized by the Negro partisan who disarms it and arrests it to hand it over to the deputy commissioner bill (urban lazarus) who leads it in the palace of the commune and seizes him a bag of documents (the famous “secret” maps that is the documents with which the duce threatened to accuse churchill? ).
with mussolini are arrested 50 more people of his entourage while pavolini is wounded during an attempt to escape. Sixteen of them are summarily shot the following day, the others transferred to a como where another dozen will be killed. already from the morning of 25 in fact, the clnai gathered in Milan approves a decree with which: "the members of the fascist government and the fascist hierarchy guilty of having contributed to the suppression of constitutional guarantees, of having destroyed the popular freedoms, created the fascist regime, compromised and betrayed the fortunes of the country and of having led it to the current catastrophe, are punished with the death penalty and, in less serious cases with the life sentence". the news of the arrest of the duce spread throughout Italy. to the clnai comes the allied request that: "blessed mussolini, his main fascist associates and all people suspected of committing war crimes or similar crimes, whose names are found on the lists that will be communicated by the united nations and that now or in the future they are located in territory controlled by the Allied military command or the Italian government, will be immediately arrested and delivered to the forces of the united nations", so much that a plane is taken off to take the dictator. but the insurrectional committee of Milan formed by pertini, serene and longo has already decided; Mussolini will be executed.
the “execution platoon” is constituted by the “carton valerio” (walter audisio) and the inspector of the garibald brigades “guido” (aldo lampredi). Valerio shows his credentials to bellini by telling him to have received the order to evict prisoners and to nothing is worth the protests of the latter.
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[Exatem]

(...cont'd)
Mussolini is transferred to the barracks of the finance guard of germasino, a small town above dongo. during this transfer he asks his jailer to be able to greet the lady who accompanies the “Spanish Consul”. It is actually a horny piece that asks and gets to stay next to the lover. the news of the presence of the duce in germasino has now spread and the partisans fear both an attack by the fascists, and an ally attempt to take possession of the prisoner. at one night of 28 April mussolini and the petacci are loaded on two cars and brought to the lake. a mussolini has been wrapped the head so that it is not recognized. Meanwhile, the first American avant-gardes are entering the country to take over the duce; therefore decides to go back and look for a safe haven ie, the house of a family friend of the black captain. but the stay in this house lasts little; In fact, after a short time the prisoners are again taken out, sat in the back seats of a car and accompanied in the place previously chosen for the execution; a small driveway in a sheltered position in front of the villa belmonte. Here the two are forced to go down. while the dying and flashing partisans block the road in the two directions, at mussolini it is noted to head towards the gate. valerio pushes mussolini towards the infiriate and pronounces the sentence: "by order of the general command of the voluntary body of freedom I am in charge of making justice to the Italian people" and turning to claret that clings to the lover tells her: "get out of there if you don't want to die, too." At this point he shoots but his miter jams, flashes approach, extracts his gun, but also this does not fire. Moorish bears his miter and the "Valry Column" discharges a deadly cold of five hits on the former head of fascism then, shoots the stroke of grace to the heart with a gun. Also the petacci is struck and killed . are 16.10 of the day 28 April 1945.
together with mussolini are arrested: pavolini (minister and secretary of the pfr), barracu (subsecretary to the presidency of the council), zerbino (minister of the inside), halfsome (minister of the popular culture), liverani (minister of communications), Roman (minister of public works), cats (secretary of the duce), door (federal of como), utimpergher ( commander of the black brigade empoli), harp, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow, shallow
they are aligned against a railing, shoulders to the platoon and, they are shot. their number must match that of the partisans killed by the Germans in piazzale loreto a milano (although considering mussolini and the brothers petacci, their number reaches 18 people). Petacci slaughter is shot last because others do not want it with them. He attempts to escape by throwing himself into the waters of the lake, but he is struck and killed. the corpses are loaded on a truck and covered by a cloth on which sit the partisans then the half part per thousand stopping along the road to load the corpses of mussolini and of the petacci left on the ground in the rain. before the dawn of 29 April, the column arrives at piazzale loreto and the 19 corpses are discharged to the ground.

the first passersby are aware of the identity of the corpses and, after the word of the word, in a short time the square fills with people. the corpses are trampled, kicked, covered with spits, are thrown vegetables, there are those who urinate on them. a woman shoots 5 gunshots at the body of mussolini, one for every son lost in war. at 11 o'clock in the morning you need a fire truck to wash the bodies then, the same firefighters, hang for the feet the 7 most important corpses: mussolini, petacci, pavolini, zerbino, crescent, marcello petacci, barracu. the corpse of the latter falls on the ground and is replaced by that of starace, former secretary of the pnf, arrested in Milan and shot in the back to the side of the gas station from which the corpses hang. the numerous photographs taken in those hours animated, in the following days, a flourishing market being sold as a sought-after "souvenir of a lived moment", blocked after two weeks by the new city prefect who ordered the immediate seizure of photographs from the cartoleries and their removal from every public place. in the early hours of the afternoon, a team of partisans, carrying out the command order, removed the corpses to take them to the morgue of gorini square.
in the evening the clnai issued a statement in which he assumed responsibility for the execution stating that: "This is the necessary conclusion of an insurrectional struggle ...the will to break with fascism, marking the end of a historical period of shame and crimes and inaugurating the advent of a new Italy. ” Other hierarchies captured, will be processed and imprisoned (some will be amnestyd on 21 June 1946 at the request of tolls). in 1948, with the constitution, the pnf is declared outlaw and it is forbidden to reconstitution even if for years, there will be regulations of accounts between fascists and anti-fascists, real sold for what happened in the twentieth anniversary precedence.

many mysteries remain on this page of our history. what happened to the famous “golden gold”? Why a few months after the end of the war the English Prime Minister went to "holiday" right on the lake of como? because the partisans who knew the truth were bound by the oath of silence for 50 years (but many of them were killed first)? really the duce was conducting “secret” negotiations? and if yes, with whom? perhaps his was an extreme attempt to “save the skin” or perhaps not"It's over for me anyway. I no longer have the right to demand sacrifices from Italians". What was in the documents? : "I have a documentation that the story will have to compulse to decide. I just want to say that, at the end of May and early June 1940, if criticisms were made, they were to shout at the scandal of a radical, unfair and surprising neutrality. Germany had won. we would not only have had no compensation; but we would certainly have been, in a period of time more or less far, invaded and crushed. And what does mussolini do? That's so soft. a golden opportunity like this, it would never have resurrected." so they all said and especially those who now shout that they had to remain neutral and that only my megalomania and my lust of power, and my weakness towards Hitler had led to war. "the truth is one: I had no pressure from hitler. hitler had already won the continental game. He didn't need us. but you could not remain neutral if we wanted to maintain that parity position with germany that until then we had. The hitler skates were very clear. I've had and I have the highest estimate for him. You have to distinguish between hitler and some of his men more in sight."Of course there is that secret contacts between mussolini and English took place on 21 September 1944 at the port of ceresio (va) and they repeated on 21 January 1945. to this are added some interceptions of the German services performed in salò in which we talk about possible secret agreements between the duce and winston churchill although not knowing the content. content that perhaps was in the famous missing document bag and that British secret services attempted in all ways to recover in the post-war period. to corroborate thesis and conjectures, there would also be the version on the killing of mussolini, published in 1994, by the Partisan commander Bruno young lonati called “giacomo”. The Japanese partisan, in fact, writes that he was the material author of the killing of mussolini, on April 28, 1945, shortly after 11:00, to fulfill a secret mission directed by an English agent.
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[Exatem]

(...cont'd)
purpose of the mission was to prevent the spread of the content of the carding, recovering it and suppressing mussolini. always for this reason, it would have been “justified” also claretta petacci (which never had any role within the fascist party), since it was informed of the existence of such relations. in the reconstruction of the facts, the previous day is contacted by a British agent who must constitute a team composed of 3 other partisans. this group would have been informed of the place where the prisoners were guarded by the “Alpine” agent. the commando would overwhelm the guard, provided for the execution and recovery of the precious card that was not found. the English agent swore to the protagonists to keep the absolute reserve for 50 years. to corroborate this version there is the testimony of a former American agent, such peter tompkins according to which he longed would come to the place to architecture a fake fucilation, to poison the killing “by mistake” of the petacci and impose the secret. this would also be confirmed by the partisan bill who, he believes that the colonel valerio was not walter audisio as argued, but rather longo.
Moreover, records of the phone calls between mussolini and the petacci in which the latter is informed of the existence of the secret card. it is known for certain of the presence of a foreign agent in uniform from alpine come in contact with the partisan “gianna” (one of the few people to know the duce hiding place). surely a shooting occurred between a partisan place and the components of a car in the morning of April 28. the time of death of mussolini indicated by jacomo is compatible with the results of autopsy on the corpses. a witness declared that mussolini and petacci were killed in the morning of 28 and this does not coincide with the “official” thesis. there are other versions on the end of the head of fascism and its lover.
Audisio, who according to the official reconstructions would be the colonel valerio, that is the killing of mussolini, remained unknown until 1947 when, elected MP in the rows of the pci, gave news of his involvement. the ordinary judiciary that put under a hearing trial on the charge of voluntary murder. the trial ended on July 7, 1967 with the absolution of the colonel valerio from the charge of multi-aggraved volunteer murder, undue approval and vilipendium of corpses as the facts had occurred “in the course of partisan war action, for the need to fight against the Germans and the fascists in a period of enemy occupation".

 

[numero1]

as always, just.......

1) Genoese insurrection began the night between 23/24, and ended only the late evening of 26, so writing that the 24 genova was liberated is not accurate.
2) the reduced in valtellina was a huge buffalo, pavolini had visited the area in early April and takes note of the real situation.
3) on English-Italian carding has been said and written about everything, is there? Is that fake?
I don't think we'll ever know the true truth...
4) as well as many versions of the duce's death circulate, as well as the official one of course.
to which I personally believe and instead do not believe or believe little to all those "alternative" reconstructions.
5) Incidentally the explicit (or explicit) sentence to death of mussolini does not mean its automatic execution, not after a process at least.
proof of this is the fact that rich lombardi (behind order of pertini seems to me) made prepare a safe (and secret) accommodation in diaz square to milan.
and had personally chosen the "guard" all trusted partisans but with the nerves in place, it was there that theoretically should come the duce, then .......
I keep following you with pleasure, bye.

 

[Exatem]

as always, just.......

bye number 1
not by chance you are "official reviewer"! and then...you see that it only affects us...

1) Genoese insurrection began the night between 23/24, and ended only the late evening of 26, so writing that the 24 genova was liberated is not accurate.

taken from what writes arrigo petacco on page 2182 of “the Second World War”:“the insurrection of genova bursts in the night between 23 and 24 April, that of Milan in the night between 25 and 26. each city aims not only to free itself, but also to exercise a precise function in the context of the great battle. if Milan was the political and strategic brain of insurrection and torino saw the most tense moment of the concluding phase, it was to genova that the epic of the liberation war recorded the most prestigious success. to genova in fact, the Germans not only were forced to surrender, but their general had to sign a real act of capitulation in the hands of the representatives of the cnl who were now masters of the city. ”jumping then the descriptive part of the clashes between insurgents and German troops, you arrive on page 2187 where: “Since the noon of April 25, the major gunther meinhold, German commander of the Genoese Square, had decided to surrender to the partisans... as a savignone, on the Ligurian-Piedmontese Appennine, meinhold telephoned to the cardinal of Genova, boetto, who served as a way to contact the Ligurian cnl for the surrender negotiations.”in fact the conditions of surrender, signed the Italian and German, cited: “in genova, on April 25, 1945, at 7.30 p.m. between Mr. General Meinhold, as commander of the German armed forces of the Meinhold sector, assisted by the asmus, chief of state, on one hand; the president of the national liberation committee for the Ligurian, Mr. remo scappini, assisted by the rapist martino and Dr. giovanni savoretti, members of the national liberation committee for the Ligurian and the Magg. mauro aloni commander of the square of genova on the other; has been agreed:
1) omissis...
5) the surrender will be decorated from 9 am on the day 26 April. ”then at dawn a group of gappisti opened the road under the cross-section of the German batteries and reached the radio station. here a representative of the cln, the Christian Democrat Paolo Emilio Taviani, a scholar little more than thirty years old, said the announcement to the microphones: “for the first time in the course of this war, a body of agguerrito army and still well armed has surrendered to a people. the two days of 24 and 25 April will be remembered over the centuries as and more than those of balilla”. the city was now firmly in hand to the partisans and the radio continued to broadcast in German and in Italian the announcement of the genova surrender.

so again perhaps the truth lies in the middle.
genova was free the 25 with adornment on 26.

to the other points I answer tomorrow.

...I still meet you with pleasure, bye.

and we'd miss more.
If you fail me, we can also close the hut.

 

[numero1]

all right exatem but I had already written here:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=12036&page=80to post n° 793 that the resistance of the fascist Nazis ended on 26.
At least in the area indicated even if it had ended from the other parts, indeed the German commander of the moron mountain batteries threatened to hit with his obscenes the city if only the partisans had approached.
He wanted to surrender yes but to the allies, which took place in the morning of 27 or 28, I do not remember well.
This story told me my grandfather too.......
the official source:
history of partisan Italian, September 1943- May 1945, giorgio bocca
Hi.

p.s.
thanks for the estimate, and do not even try to close otherwise I will bomb you:d