my working situation.

[Lord Kelvin]

I can only tell you that a designer just came in from my client confided to take 900 euros + some extras out envelope if they send him around, certainly not a salary suitable for those who have or you want to make a family... until 2003 here if one wanted to change even 3/4 jobs a year now abandoning the job that you are looking for another is a madness, I can only advise you to look for the new before leaving the present.

So, they seem a little certain in your eyes but considered as saying that at the moment considering cost of life I take 1280 out of 12 months...if we spread it on 13 months (as I think it is in Italy) my current salary would be 1180euro/month. and from good ing I was very conservative considering an 80% as a discount factor when instead my research gave from 66% to 75%.

under these premises perhaps the reflections you can make are different that you think of colleagues?

calculate we're okay here because we have 2 salaries. If we had only one, we'd get even without going out to the restaurant or the pub, and if there's an unforeseen expense, it'd come from the savings.

Then, if you talk to me about more "seriousness" this is out of question. but not all Italian companies will be cheating. . I hope.

 

[Lord Kelvin]

l'esperienza all'estero secondo la vostra esperienza sul campo quanto conta?

 

[TAURUS77]

l'esperienza all'estero secondo la vostra esperienza sul campo quanto conta?

I think the experience of each of us is different and every experience has always been something both positive and negative. With the history of abroad, you're hitting your brain. Going out in foreign land surely makes you come out a bit of grit to dexter you in various situations. ...I do not judge a worker if he has experienced abroad or not... If he did it and I'd better care if he didn't do it and I care amen... I cook it to dot and I train it to be operational.
I trust that personalment is very bitter about certain business attitudes....from a little where I work between two people a very young person with experience abroad (on paper) and another a little greater without experience abroad but with a huge know-how and a nice little experience at 360 degrees in various sectors of engineering (from alone manages various activities and to put equlibrio among the teams of workers who turn to you all ro
you know what defect the second person has to be a 40-year-old family father who works through consulting companies that in order not to step on his feet with the client company keeps him hanged with contracts to expire a little more full.... we talk about 2000€ net for about 185 hours of monthly work. ..while an unexperienced graduate perceives 1400€ month for 160 hours monthly with the difference that at 17 the graduate leaves the consultant stays until 18 and sometimes until 22 and the morning if necessary enters at 6.
tell me what you think of it since the difference is only 600€ per month and even less with a plus of 25 hours and liver to pieces? ?
Lord kelvin I hope that the sense of my answer is consistent with your question.

 

[320i S]

I think the experience of each of us is different and every experience has always been something both positive and negative. With the history of abroad, you're hitting your brain. Going out in foreign land surely makes you come out a bit of grit to dexter you in various situations. ...I do not judge a worker if he has experienced abroad or not... If he did it and I'd better care if he didn't do it and I care amen... I cook it to dot and I train it to be operational.
I trust that personalment is very bitter about certain business attitudes....from a little where I work between two people a very young person with experience abroad (on paper) and another a little greater without experience abroad but with a huge know-how and a nice little experience at 360 degrees in various sectors of engineering (from alone manages various activities and to put equlibrio among the teams of workers who turn to you all ro
you know what defect the second person has to be a 40-year-old family father who works through consulting companies that in order not to step on his feet with the client company keeps him hanged with contracts to expire a little more full.... we talk about 2000€ net for about 185 hours of monthly work. ..while an unexperienced graduate perceives 1400€ month for 160 hours monthly with the difference that at 17 the graduate leaves the consultant stays until 18 and sometimes until 22 and the morning if necessary enters at 6.
tell me what you think of it since the difference is only 600€ per month and even less with a plus of 25 hours and liver to pieces? ?
Lord kelvin I hope that the sense of my answer is consistent with your question.

Why have they taken the neolaureate?, because it costs less!, it is a bad business choice I know, but we are still in the period where the "cost" in companies is represented by the fixed costs and not in the missing efficiency; the 600€ net, they are actually 1600€ for the company (the lord of course), and no matter if the new graduate does not contribute to the cause, the important thing is that goals and budgets are reached, someone will also do what the new graduate will not be able to do.
bad way to manage the technical part of a company, but it is a very western way, which still loves those who finance.

If there is a moment of decline, the answer is "cut" the staff!, which makes sense if you really identify who is a weight for the company, but this weight is worth it, when you are sure that complex efficiency is at a good level.

 

[PierArg]

Consider also that taking graduates have tax relief.

 

[Lord Kelvin]

Okay, the question of foreign experience didn't fit very much in the parameters maybe. some have told me that for the 5 years in the land in offices of London are like 10 years in Italy in a small village or something in the middle for offices in the middle of the big middle city. Maybe they're voices who knows

 

[320i S]

Okay, the question of foreign experience didn't fit very much in the parameters maybe. some have told me that for the 5 years in the land in offices of London are like 10 years in Italy in a small village or something in the middle for offices in the middle of the big middle city. Maybe they're voices who knows

today is a somewhat ridiculous comparison (I don't want to say more), depends on what you did, what you could put hand etc, with whom you came into contact.

(to say, the automotive lighting of tolmezzo is in the middle of the mountains and tolmezzo is a village.... having it in the resume though....)

 

[Lord Kelvin]

today is a somewhat ridiculous comparison (I don't want to say more), depends on what you did, what you could put hand etc, with whom you came into contact.

(to say, the automotive lighting of tolmezzo is in the middle of the mountains and tolmezzo is a village.... having it in the resume though....)

I was referring only "voices" so actually working here in London or in Italy is not that it would give me push for a employer. we say only advantage would be that they are sure that I speak/write in English at a certain level in short

 

[Meteor02]

Every company has its own boss... the foreign experience has no added value unless it is a quality experience, you know well that it is more qualified an ing of zogno working per cms than a ing of london working for a furniture. I have always been lucky working in contact with various clients and suppliers I have always had some proposals to evaluate, this is an advantage that those who are abroad have not contacted some former fellow studies who can introduce you to some company.

 

[Lord Kelvin]

Every company has its own boss... the foreign experience has no added value unless it is a quality experience, you know well that it is more qualified an ing of zogno working per cms than a ing of london working for a furniture. I have always been lucky working in contact with various clients and suppliers I have always had some proposals to evaluate, this is an advantage that those who are abroad have not contacted some former fellow studies who can introduce you to some company.

Many foreign parties think they acquire much added value and have many chances to return to Italy, perhaps in general better from the south to emigrate to the north and experience in Italy, they would have had many more contacts

or one returning from abroad could accept something even at 900euro monthly and use it as a launch pad to reambientarsi etc, networking etc.

 

[320i S]

we say that having worked abroad has an added value for the type of approach to issues, while for technical preparation, it is almost exclusively worth where the curriculum has been done, as in Italy

 

[Meteor02]

I can say that when I was in society at varese we had many who had made foreign experiences but were all employed in the business, maybe it has a great value in that area, in uff purchases or in quality control (if the company works with abroad). in a technical field little counts the language or the titles of study what counts is the preparation, if you are strong technically you will not find difficulty otherwise it is better to look at other sectors where the foreign experience is definitely an added value.

 

[Lord Kelvin]

Thank you, so if I've only been two years planning on four years abroad, it's not like I'm a long way ahead. tips?

 

[dommypenny]

I'll make an extra update on my situation. ..I started as a designer in the small business(20 max people) of plates...it called me the employer doing the offer to return where I was with shift in technical office and increase of pay and almost at the same time calls me a famous consultancy company with which I had done interviews telling me that at a client (aerospace) they are creating a team for a project and I should be part of it...in simple words I would go to do structural analysis cfd and
Is it so bad to work with consulting companies? do you find yourself moving always? a year at one customer, one year at another and so on? do you form more a consulting company? the ral is the same only at my old company the contract is metalmechanical and in the other commercial (both undetermined)
Better to be a consultant or an employee?

 

[LIFE]

look for a job that is more suitable for you, if you don't have special economic needs you can choose what you think best, as they already told you. especially you are young and free. Also pay attention because hiring a person means avoiding the assumption of someone else, so eye to who you put in your hand, the word of many people doesn't matter much.

 

[ceschi1959]

Better to be a consultant or an employee?

in both cases you are an employee, being a professional free consultant is another thing, means having own tools, own structure and own customers with the difference that the 6-7.000 €/month that you get the company of advice for which you work you get them, but this means having contractual strength, experience and a lot of work.
the 'exploitation' and put it between quotes on purpose is evident also in the form of contract: why does a business supply engineers?
Hi.

 

[stefanobruno]

Also pay attention because hiring a person means avoiding the assumption of someone else, so eye to who you put in your hand, the word of many people doesn't matter much.

I'm tough, but I don't really get this.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I'm tough, but I don't really get this.

bho, they will be paracomplete double-gamers intermegamondiali like you are an exceptional engineer (although maybe 25 years old and who just put his nose in the world of work) and a company that makes tractors, for example, makes you a contract full of clauses and you find yourself at the most to prepare the coffee for meetings and take 600€ per month but in the meantime you are stolen to the other company that does not die not even designing the company that hired you, but the goal was to castrate others.... hyperbolites of sick thoughts

 

[LIFE]

I apologized to the wrong discussion, I wanted to answer a friend, who was worried because they didn't put him in the technical office.

 

[dommypenny]

in both cases you are an employee, being a professional free consultant is another thing, means having own tools, own structure and own customers with the difference that the 6-7.000 €/month that you get the company of advice for which you work you get them, but this means having contractual strength, experience and a lot of work.
the 'exploitation' and put it between quotes on purpose is evident also in the form of contract: why does a business supply engineers?
Hi.

there are several articles on the network of this engineering consultancy company (read body rental) that talk about the transition from metal and commercial contract to workers. ..however by reading opinions on the net and from friends who have worked or work in companies of this type I think I will return to my old company both for greater logistic stability and for the type of contract. then I think that if a company has to spend something for training it does it for its employees not for the ''consultants'' external and in this period of my life for me training on work is all since I have worked for less than a year.